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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The dark elves have so many boogeymen
Orin’s dickhole brother became both a boogeyman and a role model of youth revolt
Hank “Actually Ultron wearing him as a skin suit” Pym even threw a dinner party with the theme “wow y’all fucked up superheroes!”
Edited by Bocaj on Jul 24th 2020 at 1:59:30 PM
Forever liveblogging the Avengers@Major Spidey rogues who are married:
I think it's just Lizard (who has a shaky history with having his family acknowledged) and Kingpin (though Kingpin's issues with his wife are more prominently associated with Daredevil). Depending on whether or not you consider Harry Osborn a rogue, he's also married to Liz Allan.
Tombstone, Sandman and Vulture aren't currently married, but they do have kids.
But yeah, the best married couple of supervillains in Marvel comics - maybe even in comics in general - is Absorbing Man and Titania, and it's a shame they haven't gotten movie screentime yet.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 24th 2020 at 11:03:08 AM
Kraven also has Sasha Kravinoff though that's more on-and-off (and Kraven has a alarming tendency to kill her).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."They did say they'd like to see her do it when she's a bit older didn't they?
And with a new universe being put in place, it'd be easy to just have her playing an older version of the character she's already familiar with, but at the same time still a new version.
One Strip! One Strip!Doc Ock is a top tier Spider-Man villain for a reason, but Green Goblin is where it's at.
I'm just concerned they'll make Doc Ock into an Iron Man villain.
And one of the biggest challenges when writing Doc Ock is getting past his logical glass cannon status.
Like one punch from Spider-Man that's not pulled would have reduced Ock into a smear on the wall, and a punch that's pulled would have crippled him, because like Ock's a regular guy who already has the weight of metal tentacles weighing him down.
And sure, Doc Ock has defeated the Hulk once, but i'm not sure you can do that now believably. And it turned into a petty writer squabble.
Maybe in the MCU give him some form of armor?
Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 25th 2020 at 3:32:16 AM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"![]()
Specially since Otto motivation at times is being reject and feeling is genius is misunderstood kinda sound like a easy way for him to have something against Stark, specially since tony is.....well....tony.
at this point he is less peter parker mentor and more peter parker norman osborn....
Which it dosent mean tony daughter is going to be the green goblin...except is exactly what im saying
Yeah, Doc Ock and Norman are too easy to make into Iron Man villains, but making Doc Ock into another employee Stark pissed off would seriously piss me off.
There are two versions of Doc Ock they can use, they can either use the sympathetic scientist anti-villain foil to Peter that ps4 Spidey and Spider Man 2 used, or they can use the mad scientist gangster villain that Doc Ock was in his earliest days and that Olivia used to great effect in Spider-Verse.
Ironic that Olivia is actually truer to the text than Spider Man 2's version was.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Maybe have Otto work for Oscorp, designing artificial limbs. But then Spider-Man exposes Oscorp's criminal activities. As damage control, Norman allows the stuff Otto was involved with to be exposed, and acts shocked, shocked that one of his employees was up to something illegal. Otto gets thrown under the bus and blames Spider-Man. There's your movie.
As for being able to stand up to Spider-Man, they could reasonably give him the Superior Octopus gear he has in the comics, presumably without the HYDRA logo.
Ukrainian Red CrossSuperior Spider-Man is a multi-step plot, yeah - unless you want to retool Ock as a villain who's all about body switching (which they shouldn't), that story works because it's a story in which Ock and Spidey are already well established characters with a long running feud, then it has its own self-contained story, and then there's the fallout to it. It's about as bad an idea to rush into that as it was to rush into The Death of Superman.
Ock has other plots they could do, anyway - especially if they plan to bring in the Sinister Six.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 25th 2020 at 10:08:55 AM
As I understand it, Ock is the Spidey villain most likely to take on other heroes and villains. He's fought Daredevil, there was that (rather unbelievable) battle he had with the Hulk (the next time they met, old Jade Jaws properly curb stomped him) and he once led an attack on the Avengers mansion.
He's always been the most ambitious of the Spiderman villains. So trying to take on the Avengers (not on his own obviously but with a team) is something within his wheelhouse I'd say.
But for god sakes, don't make him an Iron Man villain. We've gotten enough of that.
One Strip! One Strip!At this point, with Far From Home having a strong "it's time to move on from Tony" vibe, plus the backlash against making villains Tony centered even posthumously, I doubt we'll get another villain retool to be Tony-centric - at least not until Ironheart theoretically gets a movie.
I've been thinking, though, that even without Tony the Spidey villains have also been very Avengers centric. Both Vulture and Mysterio were people whose enterprises were specifically taking advantage of the fact that there were major superheroes running around influencing the world in major ways: while Vulture was cleaning up after the Avengers' scraps and trying to stay under their radar, Mysterio was someone trying to copy the Avengers and steal their reputation for himself.
I don't mind it that much (I think the MCU should have absolutely been having the villains grow with the changing world sooner than this), but I'll admit it does make Spidey come off as the Avengers' one-man clean up crew, tbh.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 25th 2020 at 11:00:59 AM
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I assume that part of the reason for making the villains somewhat Stark/Avengers-centered was because Sony wanted their moneys' worth from making a deal with Marvel, and that doing that would allow some crossover appeal. Or something. I really don't know.
Edited by Prowler on Jul 25th 2020 at 12:16:31 PM
The fact that Spidey's villains are taking advantage of the changing world plus the fact that Peter's the only MCU hero with a civilian identity makes it feel like the Spider-Man movies are giving more of a ground level perspective of the universe (compared to all of those heroes who are from space or part of a secret society of wizards or king of a fictional country or king of the space wizards). I think that's my favourite thing about them.
Edited by BOOXMOWO on Jul 25th 2020 at 3:27:38 PM
The simplest way to remove Ock's Glass Cannon status is to say that the tentacles extend into is body, not just out from it. So underneath his soft outer flesh, there are Nigh-Invulnerable metal tentacles curled around his squishy internal organs, protecting them.
He's both. He's slightly more Daredevil than Spidey, but the two still cross paths. Plus Fisk's plan in the Netflix series was taking advantage of the Battle of New York to launch his gentrifying of Hell's Kitchen (which exists in this universe due to the battle).
One Strip! One Strip!Or go the Body Horror way, and say that even when the punches break the body of Doc Ock, and he should have passed out a long time ago, the tentacles make his body and mind keep on going.
Or say that the tentacles nullifies any pain Doc Ock should feel. There infinities of explanations they could use to explain how he's able to fight Spidey.
Or he could have armor.
Or he could be a mastermind master planner so by the time Peter gets to him he's already exhausted by fighting any number of sinister opponents.
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Comics Malekith is an asshole? It's almost as if villains are supposed to be the assholes in comics instead of the other way around or something.
The legend has returned.