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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#119426: Jul 23rd 2020 at 10:07:09 PM

Yeah, not exactly a stellar one, but the Armored Adventures version was pretty cool.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#119427: Jul 23rd 2020 at 11:41:47 PM

>She didn't die giving birth to him. She faked her death making it look like it was due to being weakened from birth just to get away from Norman<

Dumb Slott Retcon#13454

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119428: Jul 23rd 2020 at 11:52:55 PM

Yeah, it's idiotic, but it is what it is.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#119429: Jul 24th 2020 at 12:38:58 AM

MCU Ghost and comics Ghost have very little in common beyond the name to be fair.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#119430: Jul 24th 2020 at 1:14:52 AM

I rather like comic-Ghost.

He’s a limber weirdo with poor hygiene, social skills, & just constantly creeps out his Thunderbolt teammates.

I’m hoping next time we see Ghost, now that she no longer had to worry about her life, she can adopt her comic-selfs quirky traits.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 24th 2020 at 1:14:52 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#119431: Jul 24th 2020 at 1:24:26 AM

Well she's already got the poor hygiene down if her teeth are anything to go by.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#119432: Jul 24th 2020 at 3:11:03 AM

She didn't die giving birth to him. She faked her death making it look like it was due to being weakened from birth just to get away from Norman.

I know this is superhero comics, but how did she pull that off?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#119433: Jul 24th 2020 at 6:10:57 AM

Out of context I actually like this because it’s like preemptive karma for Norman being a shit

Various sob backstories try to say that her death broke him but fuck that

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#119434: Jul 24th 2020 at 7:51:47 AM

I always thought it was weird how Mrs. Osborn never does anything in The Spectacular Spider-Man. She was just sort of...there.

My honest guess was that they wanted her to be silent on purpose and when she says something, it's to deliver a massive Wham Line. Maybe for a scenario when everything falls apart on Norman (which is never happening now).

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#119435: Jul 24th 2020 at 7:55:56 AM

Or maybe it shows just how little agency she has and how much Norman dominates his household.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#119436: Jul 24th 2020 at 8:00:13 AM

Armored Adventures' Ghost was pretty much the middle man between Deathstroke and Slade from the Teen Titans cartoon if I remember right: a dry snarky hitman.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#119437: Jul 24th 2020 at 8:08:41 AM

Nah, he was closer to Taskmaster since he was only in it for the money, while Deathatroke does tend to hold grudges.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119438: Jul 24th 2020 at 8:38:03 AM

As I understand it, Classic Ghost hates Tony (though not for the reasons you'd expect).

He apparently just has general beef with the rich and powerful, and Tony fits that description, regardless of actual character.

Of course, it's Tony we're talking about, so while he's tried to do good and help people, I have little doubt that he did something to legitimize Ghost targeting him, because I think even Comics Tony can bring people to mind numbing rage through breathing air.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119439: Jul 24th 2020 at 8:42:05 AM

In the comics there was an entire team of supervillains empowered by the Mandarin’s Rings who were all motivated by (mostly petty and baseless) hatred of Tony Stark.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#119440: Jul 24th 2020 at 8:50:08 AM

Ghost in Armored Adventures was a pretty effective villain, to the point I don't think Tony every managed to fully defeat him. Whenever he became close Ghost would be able to talk his way out of it.

Although I really don't mind the Ghost we got in Ant-Man and the Wasp. For one thing her appearance was close to Armored Adventures, and it was rather a nice change to have a villain who could be convinced to stop instead of requiring to be killed.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119441: Jul 24th 2020 at 9:26:52 AM

In the comics there was an entire team of supervillains empowered by the Mandarin’s Rings who were all motivated by (mostly petty and baseless) hatred of Tony Stark.

There's no such thing as petty and baseless hatred of Tony Stark. It's alway justified by him being Tony Stark.tongue

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119442: Jul 24th 2020 at 9:32:44 AM

In all seriousness though, one of the villains had a particularly petty and baseless motive. See, he was an asshole who got drunk and used the Mandarin Ring to attack his father and brothers since they began Terrigenesis and he didn't (meaning he thought this confirmed he wasn't really his father's son). Iron Man tried to stop his rampage, but failed to do so before the asshole had destroyed his father's and brothers' cocoons, killing them. Later, he underwent Terrigenesis after all (his transformation occurred later because he got a different amount of exposure to Terrigen Mist since he lived apart from the rest of his family) which proved he really was his father's son after all. He briefly acknowledges that it's his fault, until the Mandarin Ring convinces him that it's Tony's fault for not stopping him in time.

Essentially, the guy hated Tony for not being able to prevent his murderous rampage.

The motives of the rest of this team weren't much better, tbh.

Edited by M84 on Jul 25th 2020 at 12:35:47 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#119443: Jul 24th 2020 at 9:34:14 AM

The Rings can talk? And are evil?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119444: Jul 24th 2020 at 9:36:08 AM

[up]Briefly. See, they were temporarily given sentience after being exposed to an advanced alien android. The now sentient Rings were influenced by their most notable bearer's (namely, the Mandarin) hatred of Tony Stark and acted accordingly.

Edited by M84 on Jul 25th 2020 at 12:36:29 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119445: Jul 24th 2020 at 9:37:36 AM

[up][up][up]

Well yeah. Tony should have been faster. The ring was right.tongue

Disclaimer: Handsome Rob is saying the above purely in jest. That dude really does hate Tony for a really dumb reason and deserves no pity.

But man, it takes my people are willing to murder a lot of innocents to fuck with Tony Stark joke to it's worst possible conclusion.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 24th 2020 at 10:37:50 AM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#119446: Jul 24th 2020 at 9:37:41 AM

Speaking of which, I hope the real Mandarin looks a lot like the Armored Adventures version of him. That was a slick design.

The legend has returned.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119447: Jul 24th 2020 at 9:42:26 AM

And then there's Malekith the Accursed (who is a much more effective villain in the comics than in the MCU) who called The Wild Hunt on Tony Stark just because Tony calls himself Iron Man.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119448: Jul 24th 2020 at 9:55:29 AM

I think I saw a tiny bit of that arc. I do remember wondering why a Thor Villain would suddenly be messing with Iron Man.

I mean, his suit actually has very little iron in it.cool

Edit: So I checked out the Wild Hunt page, and it even mentioned the arc with Tony and Malekith.

To quote:

Malekith is at it again in Iron Man, calling down the Wild Hunt on Tony Stark because he calls himself "Iron Man" and elves, like all of The Fair Folk, hate iron. Tony responds by summoning a custom-made suit actually made of iron, complete with claws, a harpoon gun and fans that blow clouds of iron filings straight at them.

Well played Stark. Well damn played.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 24th 2020 at 11:01:15 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119449: Jul 24th 2020 at 10:01:21 AM

Tony's rampage made him the new bogeyman of Dark Elf society who frightened children into behaving (something Malekith considered a silver lining to the whole thing).

It didn't help that Malekith got personal by taunting Tony about his recent discovery that he was adopted. He went so far as to call Tony a Changeling and claim that this meant Tony was one of Malekith's subjects all along.

...Comics Malekith is kind of an asshole.

Edited by M84 on Jul 25th 2020 at 1:04:14 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#119450: Jul 24th 2020 at 10:05:01 AM

not even Dark Elves deserve to be tormented by Tony Stark..

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