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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#119351: Jul 23rd 2020 at 10:03:08 AM

Justice League Action was pretty good, even if it was treated pretty badly. Then, there is the Brave and the Bold and Teen Titans, and I've heard the Doom Patrol live action show was pretty good.

Edited by Blueace on Jul 23rd 2020 at 1:04:18 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#119352: Jul 23rd 2020 at 10:06:20 AM

Even if they don’t have very many shows right now, I’d say that DC’s animated output is a lot stronger than Marvel’s, yeah.

Not only in tv, but also on with their dtv movies and such.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 23rd 2020 at 10:08:07 AM

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#119353: Jul 23rd 2020 at 10:39:22 AM

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#119354: Jul 23rd 2020 at 10:59:47 AM

The recent DC animated movies are hit and miss, but there are some good stuff there.

In my view, the one time Marvel came closer to the DCAU was with EMH.

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#119355: Jul 23rd 2020 at 11:05:38 AM

[up][up] Like the movie or the episodes fallowing said movie. It's been getting a nice heard since then.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 23rd 2020 at 1:44:55 PM

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#119356: Jul 23rd 2020 at 11:15:12 AM

EMH was great. However for me, The Spectacular Spider-Man will always be the best thing Marvel tv animation has ever produced. If not for its cancellation it would probably be THE definitive Spider-Man show. The 90s one is still iconic, nonetheless.

I remember most of the X-Men cartoons also being pretty great as well, even though I could never quite get into Evolution as a kid.

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#119357: Jul 23rd 2020 at 11:20:56 AM

[up] I still haven't watched the Spectacular Spider-Man. I probably should at some point.

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#119358: Jul 23rd 2020 at 11:26:29 AM

Young Justice is great, Harley Quinn is impressively good, as said Justice League Action was really fun even if CN treated it like shit, Teen Titans Go is successful so that’s good for the brand, & DC Super Hero Girls is pretty fun.

So yes overall DC is far better than Marvel in the animation department. Even if the recent DC animated movies have been hit or miss, at least they still make animated movies on a regular basis.

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#119359: Jul 23rd 2020 at 11:43:55 AM

[up][up] You should, but you shouldn't at the same time, because of that damn ending sad

Almost as unsatisfying as the ending of Spider-Man: The New Animated Series, which also got canned too early.

That one was a pretty awesome series as well, and dark.

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#119360: Jul 23rd 2020 at 11:46:54 AM

[up] How bad is the ending? Because I have been a fan of a few shows that it ended in an anticlimactic way.

Anyways reposting my question. I have a question. If you could bring an actor back from another non-MCU film to play their role in the MCU. Who would be? I would do either Michael Chiklis as the Thing or Reynolds as Deadpool.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 23rd 2020 at 1:48:09 PM

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#119361: Jul 23rd 2020 at 11:49:30 AM

Honestly, I feel like the 2000s were Marvel's peak in terms of animation. You've got EMH and Spectacular, plus solid shows like X-Men Evolution and Armored Adventures. That's also when Marvel was doing DTV stuff which wasn't the best but at least it was something. For me personally the 90s stuff doesn't hold up as much as the later output.

[up] Nicolas Cage as Ghost Rider. More seriously, probably Reybolds as Deadpool.

Edited by Aleistar on Jul 23rd 2020 at 11:50:54 AM

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#119362: Jul 23rd 2020 at 11:53:24 AM

[up][up] Peter Did Not Get the Girl and has destroyed the relationship with several of his friends (Harry in particular has turned out to be a complete asshole), the Big Bad pulls a complete Karma Houdini, Dr. Connors is forced to leave the city.....I'm not sure if there was more, but yeah, it was pretty bleak.

Edited by Forenperser on Jul 23rd 2020 at 8:53:26 PM

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#119363: Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:11:52 PM

I wonder if a Spectacular Spider-Man film would have remedied the relatively short-livedness of the show, similar to Firefly. Probably not, considering all of the loose threads that were left hanging. It’s weird because the show is kind of a Cult Classic these days. I remember it’s release on Blu-Ray being a pretty big deal at one point.

So yes overall DC is far better than Marvel in the animation department. Even if the recent DC animated movies have been hit or miss, at least they still make animated movies on a regular basis.

Into The Spider-Verse kind of makes things a little more even for Marvel in terms of animated movies, but DC does have the upper-hand overall.

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#119364: Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:16:56 PM

[up][up] Doesn't Connors die early on in that series?

Really, the sheer extent to which that show killed off its villains gave off the impression that it was never intended to run for a particularly long time. It was just there to tide us over between the first two Raimi movies.

On an unrelated note, Iron Man Armored Adventures made me love the Ultimate version of the Mad Thinker, a character I wouldn't mind seeing in the MCU.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:19:04 PM

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#119365: Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:23:02 PM

Reynolds is all but guaranteed to reprise his role when Deadpool is translated into the MCU and it's an obvious choice anyway. I guess I'll say if it weren't for Donald Glover, I'd love to see Mahershala Ali as Aaron Davis since he nailed the role so much in Into the Spider-Verse. Guess I'll settle for him nailing Blade.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:23:25 PM

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#119366: Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:24:37 PM

[up][up][up] It will start being even once they make more animated films.

Spider-Verse was the first animated flick that’s been made in several years since the last one........ Which was the last animated film before Spider-Verse?

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#119367: Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:25:49 PM

Mad Thinker is also a One-Scene Wonder in EMH, funnily enough, though there in a 616 inspired self. In EMH he shows very briefly as an inmate of The Raft scribbling on a blackboard in his cell, making some sort of complex mathematics and digressing to his cellmate (Whirlwind, I think?) how every quantum probability is pointing to a mass break-out very soon (while a montage shows us the pieces of the Raft's breakout falling into place). At the end of the scene his impressed cellmate just asks who the Hell is he, and Thinker cocks a grin and says to the camera "I'm simply a thinker some call mad."

It was an awesome way to introduce him. Shame he never shows up again in full.

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#119368: Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:28:36 PM

Really, most Spider-Man cartoons ended on cliffhanger endings. The 90s show ended with Peter yet to be reunited with MJ and Unlimited ended with Venom and Carnage launching a symbiote invasion on Counter-Earth.

[up][up] The only theatrical animated Marvel film before Spider-Verse was Big Hero 6. There were a few TV films released between those two (Hulk: Where Monsters Dwell, Marvel Rising: Secret Warriors), but the last DTV one was Iron Man & Captain America: Heroes United.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:32:55 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#119369: Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:43:11 PM

@ Known

I was talking about Spectacular there.

But yeah, TNAS ends on an even bleaker note and tons of people die in there.

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#119370: Jul 23rd 2020 at 12:56:58 PM

Well, seeing the first X-Men film just turned 20, and both Ian Mc Kellen and Patrick Stewart have turned 80, an Holocaust survivor Magneto and a Professor X of comparable age may be kinda out of the cards.

Perhaps making Magneto Hutu or Tutsi (Tutsi genocided Hutus in Burundi; Hutus genocided Tutsi in both Burundi and Rwanda), while making Xavier an anti-Apartheid activist could work. More current while still having roots in the past, less Eurocentric...

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#119371: Jul 23rd 2020 at 1:13:53 PM

My proposal would still be that there was an original Erik Lensherr Magneto holocaust survivor presumably operating until the 90's or somesuch, but since then the name "Magneto" became a Legacy Character across time. This is my compromise to also avoid washing a prominent Jewish character in the comics.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#119372: Jul 23rd 2020 at 1:17:57 PM

Or have him being de-aged, like he has been in comics at least 2 times.

I don't think anything good will come out of removing his jewish roots.

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#119373: Jul 23rd 2020 at 1:20:53 PM

We've had this conversation before, and my stance is to keep Magneto as a Holocaust survivor, but either de-age him or do a handwave like "all Mutants have naturally longer lives than humans, Wolverine's is just WAY more extreme".

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#119374: Jul 23rd 2020 at 1:24:40 PM

Or since Magneto is very overused have him start as a posthumous character & maybe reveal hes still alive way later down the line.

And if you want you could even reveal Wanda is his granddaughter or something.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 23rd 2020 at 1:25:31 AM

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#119375: Jul 23rd 2020 at 1:27:30 PM

Although that could be the opportunity to focus on different X-Men characters than those we got to see in the Fox films. There is no shortage of them either, though I guess Apocalypse would have to go since it would be very hard not to make him look like a poor man's Thanos.

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