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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119301: Jul 21st 2020 at 12:43:54 PM

Lets hope they extend that to mutants being treated like human beings instead of people constantly building death robots to destroy them.

I get the feeling the MCU, in addition to what Hickman is doing in the comics, will really move the metaphor forward by moving away from humans want to destroy mutants at all costs.

But getting back to your point, they might provide a pretty even handed look at the police. We'll see a lot of the bad (and there's a lot of bad) however, cause it needs to be shown.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#119302: Jul 21st 2020 at 12:51:46 PM

I'd be interested in them exploring human society exploiting and dehumanizing mutants in different ways, especially given how intensely repetitive the Fox movies were.

Have, like, underground death gauntlets where people bet on mutants' survival, allowing us to bring in guys like Arcade or (a humanized) Mojo. Or maybe have people try to control mutation, realizing that it is inevitably going to grow (something I liked about Trask in DOFP), giving us guys like Mr. Sinister. Or... hell, if we're going to do another Magneto plot (since it's inevitable) do something we haven't seen before like Asteroid M or Genosha, with Fabian Cortez as the villain.

At least in the X-Men centric movies. Imo, they should slowly introduce mutants by having mutant or enhanced related threats pop up in other films. If we ever get an Alpha Flight movie, introduce Weapon X there. Put Whirlwind in Ant Man 3, or Mystique in Captain Marvel 2. Etc.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#119303: Jul 21st 2020 at 12:55:49 PM

X: Apocalypse had a fight pit between Nightcrawler and Angel, though. And I didn't watch it, but didn't Origins: Wolfie have one too?

Also, the post credits scene on Apocalypse teased Sinister, which is what I'd have preferred we got, instead of another Dark Phoenix story that made the timeline even more contradictory.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Jul 21st 2020 at 2:57:52 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#119304: Jul 21st 2020 at 1:00:46 PM

I wonder if we'll get Mastermind or if he's too similar to Mysterio?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#119305: Jul 21st 2020 at 1:02:02 PM

[up][up] Having an underground fighting scene and having a plot about mutants being kidnapped and forced to compete / run a death course / die / etc are a bit different.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 21st 2020 at 1:02:19 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119306: Jul 21st 2020 at 1:08:08 PM

I like some of these ideas. Recall that Bolivar Trask as he was classically portrayed didn't even hate Mutants, and while he did build the Sentinels to control them, never wanted to genocide. You could tweak his actions to be more informed by his own mutant son (and an apparent daughter who could time travel), as him trying and failing to do what Natasha suggested in Captain America: Civil War in regards to the Accords: get ahead of it and dictate things in a positive manor.

He wants to inform people of what Mutants can do and how they can be dangerous more so that the world can be better prepared to accommodate them rather than everyone going nuts and trying to destroy them, because he himself has mutant children and he knows he needs to do something to make things better for them.

Though Peter Dinklage's portrayal was interesting as well (he also didn't actually hate mutants, but it's clear he didn't see them as human either, which is kinda worse).

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#119307: Jul 21st 2020 at 1:39:39 PM

I think the Sentinels could be used again. It'd be interesting to use them to comment on the over-militarization of law enforcement and how it can unnecessarily escalate situations that could be resolved more peacefully.

Of course, in a world where robots destroyed an entire city in an attempt to wipe out humanity, I'm not sure how receptive the government would be towards a robotic task force. On the other hand, it'd probably be more realistic if they did it anyway. tongue

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jul 21st 2020 at 1:41:18 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#119308: Jul 21st 2020 at 1:48:23 PM

This maybe wouldn’t work for a movie except as a background element but I’d like more grounded prejudice against mutants

People who refuse to rent a house or apartment to mutants. People being fired from their jobs when it’s revealed that they’re mutants

Because there’s no legal protections

The X Men or whoever working on those issues as much as fighting superhero nonsense

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#119310: Jul 21st 2020 at 2:27:55 PM

I remember thinking about an idea where Trask and Gyrich (Trask being more of an Innocent Bigot and someone who gets over himself compared to the racist as hell Gyrich) propose the Sentinel program to Congress...only to be told the idea has just re-invented stupid. But then a shady PMC comes into the picture (AIM?) and funds the project, with the film ending with Trask realizing what he had wrought upon the world and helping to stop it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119311: Jul 21st 2020 at 2:43:21 PM

That could work.

Trask does need to be chewed out for his actions, but beyond that, it could work.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#119312: Jul 21st 2020 at 2:45:05 PM

[up]Obviously he does (in the original story the guy sacrifices his life to stop what he created), but it’s something that could be interesting to portray, otherwise intelligent people being convinced by con artists to hate and support a hateful cause because of a loss for answers.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119313: Jul 21st 2020 at 5:56:23 PM

....again, more real life parallels.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#119314: Jul 21st 2020 at 6:26:33 PM

But then a shady PMC comes into the picture (AIM?) and funds the project

It's me, I'm the shady PMC, not AIM! I've always wanted a fleet of my own personal murder-bots.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119315: Jul 21st 2020 at 6:43:55 PM

....who would you send these murder bot against?

Do I have to send any warnings to Saiga?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#119316: Jul 21st 2020 at 6:47:31 PM

"I" would never "send" murder-bots to "kill" Saiga. You have my "word".

Now Rob, on the other hand, well he's just too handsome to live.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119317: Jul 21st 2020 at 6:56:33 PM

Well shit.

I expect all of you to come to my aid.

You all owe me! I put this place on the map!

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#119318: Jul 21st 2020 at 7:17:13 PM

I'll be sure to put that your headstone in case we fail.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#119319: Jul 21st 2020 at 7:53:50 PM

Re: Tigra. One idea I came up with is her being a supernatural detective. I think that could work for her as a t.v. show.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119320: Jul 21st 2020 at 9:45:51 PM

We have two Jessicas for the Detective angle though.

It's not a bad idea, but it's been done.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#119321: Jul 21st 2020 at 10:11:49 PM

Then again, one of those Jessicas had her show cancelled and the other might not even appear in the MCU.

With Tigra I was thinking about something along the lines of investigating ghost hauntings, werewolf traffickings, etc. I don't think Jessica Jones has done that.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#119322: Jul 21st 2020 at 10:15:20 PM

I have not watched Jones yet but since its supposed to be gritty & realistic, presumably its never done anything like that.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#119324: Jul 21st 2020 at 10:29:37 PM

Well, at least that'd really set it apart from the Netflix shows. Leaning into the crazy and just have some fun with the weird you can find around the corner in Marvel New York would make it its own kind of show.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#119325: Jul 21st 2020 at 11:03:08 PM

Setting it in Los Angeles instead of New York would also help.


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