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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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On the other hand him in civil war does do that without understanding how he come to other, specially the part of "I have to save other so I cant stand here", you can see tony look of irritantion to steven because he set himself a duty and them ignore everything for said duty, is a actitude that breed rebellion.
Steve is loyal to principle over people, which can be a problem in general.
Tony and Steve does a complete 180 position from avenger to civil war: tony is the one who stick to everyone to enforce the rule and steven decide his is the only who can trust.
the irony is lost to them of course.
Edited by unknowing on Jul 20th 2020 at 2:22:23 PM
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"In my opinion Steve's greatest flaw was his hypocrisy, and he seemed aware of it too.
He preached peace and love, but deep down needed war and conflict to feel whole, as Ultron pointed out.
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One thing I would love the film explore is that if ultron is tony unfettered them that opinion is tony opinion, he really thing steve is a soldier who need a war.
if you contrast of what he told spiderman "you are wrong, you think you are right, that make you dangerous" kinda said how tony see steve....
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I feel that T'Challa and Carol are going to be the main faces for the MCU going forward (with Thor still serving to round off the trio). I don't think they'll replicate the dynamic that Tony and Steve had, but if they ever make another big team-up film, I can see those two leading the rest of the heroes.
Jen might be actually. Since he show is being done in house by Marvel.
Matt does have that issue, but he'll just change his face.
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He'll go in witness protection, get some plastic surgery, and reemerge as Mike Murdock
Same thing that happened to the "original" Howard the Duck, wink.
Edited by Bocaj on Jul 20th 2020 at 3:18:51 PM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersBeen hearing some good buzz about The Old Guard from Gina Prince-Bythewood. It'd be something if she wound up directing Blade. Or if not her, then Nia DaCosta, who's making that new Candyman...
I forgot Dr Strange
He’s self assured enough to take up one of the poles of the superhero community
Plus he killed Tony. Ya break it ya earn it
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No, no, Steve's main flaw is excessive loyalty. He is too selfless: refusing to offer an opinion or contradict an order because it's his duty to serve. He's the hero who jumps on the grenade to save his friends even when he doesn't have to. If the government issued a mask order, he'd be the first person on the street handing them out and setting an example.
What his loyalty and patriotism blind him to is that sometimes the people he works for aren't morally upstanding. Sometimes they are corrupt or compromised or just plain wrong, and he has to learn to trust his own feelings instead of steadfastly following authority.
His arc is complete when he is able to commit an act of pure self-gratification without worrying about its effect on others.
By contrast, Tony is all about setting his own path: not being told what to do. He has to overcome that to work as a member of a team, to develop loyalty to his team over his own fears and ego, and ultimately to sacrifice himself to save the world.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 20th 2020 at 2:20:03 PM
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