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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Just thinking about how even though Luke and co are almost certainly going to return, even if in a slightly different form, we're unlikely to ever hear Bulletproof Love
again and that's sad.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 19th 2020 at 12:08:35 PM
....So...
Vision died for nothing. But not in the way you're thinking.
Also, Wanda messed up.
As far back as the first movie, we know that the stones (or in that case the tesseract) can defend against themselves. It's why Loki's sceptre (the mind stone) was able to penetrate the barrier of the the Tesseract (space stone) and it's why Wanda was able to destroy Vision and the Mind Stone.
Which brings me to my point: Wanda is fighting off Thanos, while destroying the Mind Stone and Vision...she made the wrong choice.
We see what she does to Thanos when she puts all her attention on him, and we know the Stone can be used to destroy themselves (via Thanos doing just that at the beginning of Endgame). So she should have turned all her attention to Thanos to destroy the stones in his Gauntlet.
Now, there's the matter of IF she could have done that, because Thanos needed all the Infinity Stones to destroy all the Infinity Stones. Wanda may have only had the juice to take out the Mind Stone, and she was tailor made for that particular job. We'll never know, I suppose. Still I think it's something that could have saved the universe and Vision if she'd only thought of it.
One Strip! One Strip!The thing is that destroying one stone wiped her and if she hadn't picked the Time Stone, Thanos would have just used the time stone to undo what she did. And she has no idea which stone is the time stone.
But yeah, her destroying the mind stone was also due to her familiarity with it.
Edited by Bocaj on Jul 19th 2020 at 11:05:36 AM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI'm pretty sure Wanda was only able to destroy the mind stone because that's where her powers came from (which could also mean that Carol could have destroyed the Tesseract if she had wanted to). And it took her an awful lot of time, too, so it's doubtful Thanos would have let her try destroying another stone on his gauntlet without doing anything.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.No, Tony died for his sins.
And even then, he's still creating arch enemies.
In fact, now I'm gonna shit on Tony again (in a half joking way):
Every single problem the Avengers had as a team was his fault:
- His suspicions about Fury lead to the argument on the Helicarrier.
- His decision to try and study the sceptre without talking to anyone else lead to Ultron.
- Joining the pro-accords side split the Avengers in half.
- Not returning to earth resulted in the team remaining split.
- And he's the reason they almost lost the Tesseract.
I love coming up with ways to blame Tony for everything. T'is a shame he's dead. He's a great punching bag.
One Strip! One Strip!Ironically enough, those tendencies come from his near death experience back in the first movie.
Him realizing that he wasn't keeping enough of an eye on his tech is what allowed Stane to deal under the table, which lead to his capture, the death of Yin-Sen and the birth of Iron Man.
It's also lead to Tony being a lot more cautious over how his technology is used, ensuring the Iron Man tech wasn't misused, but also leading him to make even worse mistakes.
One Strip! One Strip!Different mistakes anyway
That’s the fun thing about Tony. His quest to make up for Tony always has him making exciting new errors
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Granted I will said it got tiring a little bit after a while, specially when they didnt allow him to grow up, twice tony did learn smething in iron man 2 and 3 and the movie sweept that because him being a hot mess was easier to write.
Tony's arc throughout the MCU is going from selfish to selfless. Even during Age of Ultron and Civil War, his positions are about himself: his own flaws and issues. It's only at the climax of Endgame that he is able to make a truly selfless sacrifice, and that's what saves everyone.
By contrast, Steve Rogers' arc is about going from selfless and patriotic — ridiculously so at times — to questioning authority, making his own decisions, and then finally choosing a selfish reward: giving up his career as a hero to be with the woman he loved.
These are all very deliberate narrative choices.
In a good story, the hero's flaws drive the narrative every bit as much as the villain's actions. Tony is an extremely flawed character who manages to be heroic despite himself. That's a very interesting story and it's one of the reasons why the MCU works so well as a whole. Audiences care about him: they want to see him grow and overcome his issues and mistakes.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 20th 2020 at 12:52:21 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"The lie was that beyond studying it he was also applying it and in his defense the idea that the stone contained a malicious AI was out of left field
Forever liveblogging the AvengersTony didn't believe in "magic" in any practical sense until he met Dr. Strange, so he can be excused for not understanding the power of the Mind Stone at the time. That said, Wanda had been influencing him.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Tony was betrayed, found himself on the brink of death twice, then suffered from PTSD and finally had his brain messed up by Scarlet Witch. The poor guy has at least some excuses for his bad choices.
Reading this thread, I get the feeling that Tony suffers a heavy case of Cant Get Away With Nothing, while Steve always got things going his way whatever he does, even if he had to wait some time for them to do so.
Edited by C105 on Jul 20th 2020 at 7:08:16 PM
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.

Admittedly, the threat behind Loki wasn't so much he was extremely powerful, but that he was an unknown factor. Half the Avengers were recruited for the purposes of recovering the Tesseract, not with the idea they would be facing an overpowering alien army. The Chitauri threat was presented and taken care of within a day, Loki himself was easily handled by Iron Man. Ultron may be also excused in that Fury figured the Avengers had it covered, Whedons approach was that the Avengers are unbeatable if they work together.
But still, the angle that Fury always had Carol on speed dial didn't really matter on any level, the stinger for Infinity War and Captain Marvel wasn't even acknowledged in Endgame. It would make more sense if they were in constant communication rather than a 20 year old pager.