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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119176: Jul 18th 2020 at 10:11:09 AM

So I was re-watching a clip of Tony's dream from AOU, and I noticed something...or rather someone:

At 1:04, where we see Hawkeye's body, there's a woman next to him who I don't recognize. It's not Widow, cause she clearly appears before him.

Who the hell is that lady?

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#119177: Jul 18th 2020 at 10:14:18 AM

Its

its

Lady D E A T H

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#119178: Jul 18th 2020 at 10:14:57 AM

[up]x2 My gut says someone who Whedon wanted to be in his version of Infinity War/Endgame but I have no idea who they could be. Maybe pre-Brie Larson Carol?

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Edited by Aleistar on Jul 18th 2020 at 10:16:18 AM

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#119179: Jul 18th 2020 at 10:16:10 AM

There's a lot more people dead in that scene than just the Avengers. I think the implication is that they weren't alone in that final battle. The woman in question looks like just a genetic government agent to me.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#119180: Jul 18th 2020 at 10:32:03 AM

Is a funny thing: would fury call capitan marvel against ultron? or the chitauri?.

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#119181: Jul 18th 2020 at 10:36:01 AM

The woman in question looks like just a genetic government agent to me.

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[up]Have any of the showrunners addressed that plothole yet? People bring it up a lot, so I figure Feige or the Russos or somebody must have had something clever to say about it.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#119182: Jul 18th 2020 at 10:40:00 AM

It is obliquely addressed in the Infinity War post-credits scene. Fury only deems to call Marvel after Maria Hill tells him that the invading forces of Thanos are greater than the Chitauri invasion by several orders of magnitude. Before then he was alright with the Avengers just handling the situation.

Edited by Gaon on Jul 18th 2020 at 10:40:26 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#119183: Jul 18th 2020 at 10:41:12 AM

[up]Which it means very little considering the chitauri or ultron were THIS close to actually destroy or conquerir earth.

To earth, different level of magnitude is still means "we are fuck"

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#119184: Jul 18th 2020 at 10:45:57 AM

Regardless on how you put it, it was never the cleanest of retcons.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#119185: Jul 18th 2020 at 10:47:02 AM

Ultron actually did come somewhat close with the whole "self-propelled meteor stone throw" plan but the Chitauri really weren't that close at all. They weren't even particularly close to conquering New York. The Avengers had things pretty under control when they got to NY, which is why a lot of the danger ends up coming from the decision to nuke New York by the powers that be rather than the Chitauri.

The movie does imply that the Avengers would probably be overwhelmed by exhaustion and sheer numerical disadvantage after some indefinite point (when we see a wounded, tired cap and a Hulk being briefly overwhelmed by cannonfire) but for the most part the Avengers had that on-lock.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119186: Jul 18th 2020 at 10:51:09 AM

Which is impressive. 6 people (two of whom have no explicit super powers, and one of whom has the power of being the best non powered dude on the planet) were managing to contain an entire invasion.

Though I've always said that Thor, Hulk and to a lesser extent Tony were doing the real heavy lifting, with Cap just putting everyone where they could do the greatest amount of good.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#119187: Jul 18th 2020 at 11:03:16 AM

Carol addresses it in Endgame too, iirc. Rhodey asks her where she's been, and her response is "Earth had you guys, so my attentions were better served elsewhere."

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#119188: Jul 18th 2020 at 11:04:25 AM

I recall Feige once implied Fury may have contacted Carol before. Could be he did send a distress call during the prior near-world-ending events but they got resolved before Carol got there.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#119189: Jul 18th 2020 at 11:06:20 AM

Consider also that when Fury decides to call Carol in Infinity War stuff has been going on for awhile

And one of the factors that seems to have concerned him is that Tony has gone missing

Not to mention that the Avengers are scattered and not being a team.

But the thing that clinched it was when people started getting raptured.

It’s not a plot hole when things have never been that bad before

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#119190: Jul 18th 2020 at 11:17:37 AM

I dunno, I feel like any global-scale apocalyptic event would've been enough for Fury to try to call Carol over. Carol may have been helping other planets, but she did have heavy emotional investment on Earth, and any kind of event that could potentially result in human extinction should've been enough for Fury to call in the big guns.

Was it ever stated how much time passed between IW and CM's credits scenes? I like to imagine Fury paged Carol maybe 4 times before the snap, only for her to get there mere seconds after everything's been resolved.

Rorian Dark Lord of Falun Copper Mine Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Halfway to Pon Farr
Dark Lord of Falun Copper Mine
#119191: Jul 18th 2020 at 11:45:15 AM

Considering that they were in the avengers compound and not Wakanda, several days has passed.

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#119192: Jul 18th 2020 at 11:53:15 AM

In hindsight, it's funny that Fury even bothered to page Carol, like she wouldn't notice, somehow.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 18th 2020 at 11:53:16 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#119193: Jul 18th 2020 at 12:04:39 PM

It's not like he knew that Thanos killed half the universe, just half the planet.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#119194: Jul 18th 2020 at 1:13:37 PM

[up] I mean, would anyone not on Titan or in Wakanda know that much? As far as I remember it's not like Thanos announced the snap beforehand and even if he did I don't know if they knew the how or why.

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#119195: Jul 18th 2020 at 2:45:10 PM

Bruce and Gamora knew Thanos intended to wipe out half the universe, thus so did anybody else they informed.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#119196: Jul 18th 2020 at 6:04:08 PM

To be fair, calling Carol to stop Loki would be like using a rocket launcher to kill a mouse.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#119197: Jul 18th 2020 at 7:56:48 PM

Loki was able to hold his own against Captain America. He’s not a Non-Action Big Bad, though of course Carol outpaces him by a lot.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119198: Jul 18th 2020 at 8:06:37 PM

Cap doesn't really hit as hard as Loki.

Remember, the God of Lies is only weak by Asgardian...Captain Marvel....and Hulk standards....and I guess Thanos too....and probably the rest of the Black Order....and Ego....and the Celestials....

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#119199: Jul 18th 2020 at 8:07:58 PM

Loki is kind of in the middle tier, but since he always hangs out with heavyweights, he always looks pretty bad physically speaking.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#119200: Jul 18th 2020 at 8:20:17 PM

[up]*2,Of fact, Average Asgardians can be killed with simple bullets.

So Loki can boast of being stronger than an average Asgardian.

Speaking of the Black Order, the only one who physically surpasses him is Cull Obsidian (Corvus and Ebony are glass cannons, Even Corvus was hurt by a kick from Natasha.)

Still, Nick Fury probably considered Loki too weak to call Carol.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jul 18th 2020 at 8:29:11 AM


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