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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#119152: Jul 16th 2020 at 5:02:55 AM

Oh. Got it.

On a somewhat different note, it's ironic that an entire generation will grow up knowing the Hulk as a staple of the Avengers even though his cousin was a member for far longer than he has been.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 16th 2020 at 5:10:42 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#119153: Jul 16th 2020 at 6:57:15 AM

It's the same thing with Juggernaut being a member of the Brotherhood of Mutants, really.

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#119154: Jul 16th 2020 at 6:59:16 AM

I mean, antman should be a funder member and yet he can barely count as one until this day so far.

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#119155: Jul 16th 2020 at 7:00:49 AM

We can thank Edgar Wright for that

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#119156: Jul 16th 2020 at 7:03:53 AM

Also,Ultron's backstory was changed so he was created by Stark instead of Hank Pym

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#119157: Jul 16th 2020 at 7:15:04 AM

Which means one of the famous think hank pym is know(you well know the other) is now a stark thing, meaing pym is just a regular asshole this time.

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#119158: Jul 16th 2020 at 7:28:32 AM

It also keeps their disciplines more clear than comics where every scientist is every kind of scientist

No excuse for Bruce though

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#119159: Jul 16th 2020 at 7:37:40 AM

Also ultron feel the kind of thing tony would create, not idea why pym would make a robot really.

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#119160: Jul 16th 2020 at 7:38:42 AM

He's a scientist,your're expected to really in comics

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#119161: Jul 16th 2020 at 7:53:24 AM

To be fair, the MCU wasn't the first adaptation to have Tony be the one to create Ultron.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jul 16th 2020 at 7:53:23 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#119162: Jul 16th 2020 at 8:09:13 AM

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That's very true. And Next Avengers predates Age of Ultron by a few years I believe (a small few I think).

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#119163: Jul 16th 2020 at 8:16:19 AM

[up] It came out in 2008. Also, I think that the kids were i.ported into the main comics continuity in Bendis' run?

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#119164: Jul 16th 2020 at 8:36:05 AM

I think the only reason why Hank was chosen to make Ultron is because as a robot Ultron possibly needed an origin and Hank was a scientist and more ‘expendable’ than Tony

Also I think there was the thing about him studying not a man not a dragon Dragon Man but I don’t know if that plot was intended to set anything up

Or whether Ultron was initially intended to have any connection to the Avengers

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#119165: Jul 16th 2020 at 4:20:31 PM

My guess why they chose Hank instead of Tony in the comics is because Tony fucks up enough in his home series already.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#119166: Jul 16th 2020 at 4:25:04 PM

I mean, antman should be a funder member and yet he can barely count as one until this day so far.

Back before Captain Marvel established that Carol was the inspiration for the group, I remember thinking it would've been interesting for Hank and Janet to be founding members of a 60's-70's era version of the team in the past, like a covert group who saved the world League of Extraordinary Gentlemen style, but went unknown by the world minus the highest level of SHIELD clearance.

So they could have the original Human Torch (that easter egg in Captain America is still unfired evil grin), and some cool characters who would otherwise not be adapted in the modern movies.

But it's kind of a wonky idea, tbf.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 16th 2020 at 4:25:33 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#119167: Jul 16th 2020 at 4:25:19 PM

Hank was also way more unstable than Tony.

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BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#119168: Jul 16th 2020 at 4:35:18 PM

Although the origin of the name "Avengers" is different in the movies from the one in the comics, the reasoning behind the name still amounts to it just being a cool name for a team.

MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#119169: Jul 16th 2020 at 4:36:15 PM

For the central themes of Avengers 2 to work, Ultron couldn't have been created wholly by an outside force.

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#119170: Jul 16th 2020 at 5:06:06 PM

@Known Unknown: I had similar thoughts. Might be too late to do it now (seems it seems a bit weird Hank never mentions them in Ant-Man 2). They could do it with a different name, like Invaders and Defenders (though the latter would be a knife twist in those mourning the netflixverse).

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#119171: Jul 16th 2020 at 5:46:58 PM

I wouldn't mind the actual Defenders (Dr. Strange, Hulk, Namor, etc), and have Luke and co reintroduced as the Heroes For Hire.

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#119172: Jul 16th 2020 at 7:11:00 PM

MCU Ultron is really underwhelming compared to comics Ultron since MCU Ultron is "MCU Tony without empathy" as opposed to comics Ultron who is "comics Hank without empathy".

And since comics Hank is...really messed up...that is reflected in comics Ultron being one of the most psychopathic examples of Robotic Psychopath ever.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#119173: Jul 16th 2020 at 7:24:52 PM

I don't think Marvel would do a 60's era Avengers story. That would feel like stepping on the toes of that other Avengers franchise.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#119174: Jul 17th 2020 at 3:47:14 PM

Isn’t the other Avengers franchise more of a spy series - basically what Get Smart was parodying?

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#119175: Jul 17th 2020 at 4:06:00 PM

Yeah, the 60's Avengers series had really little to do with superheroes. It was an extremely tongue in cheek crime and spy series with occasional science fiction, but it would really take a lot for a Marvel series to be considered close to it.

Edited by C105 on Jul 17th 2020 at 1:08:22 PM

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