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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119126: Jul 14th 2020 at 11:34:50 PM

...Yeah, they've all crossed some pretty important ethical lines with their psychic powers at one point or another.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#119127: Jul 14th 2020 at 11:45:43 PM

Emma Frost once had psychic sex with Cyclops despite being the latters therapist.

I’m pretty sure that makers her a rapist.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119128: Jul 14th 2020 at 11:47:55 PM

It very much does. That other writers kept them in a relationship for as long as they did was...ick.

Granted, Emma Frost started out as a supervillain, so she had already crossed moral lines before joining the X-Men.

Edited by M84 on Jul 15th 2020 at 2:48:28 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#119129: Jul 14th 2020 at 11:49:12 PM

Jean Gray made them stay together

Or else a sentient bacteria would do an age of apocalypse except more prog rock

Clearly jean had to stop that

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119130: Jul 14th 2020 at 11:49:57 PM

There are a lot of reasons I didn't like Morrison's run on X-Men.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#119131: Jul 14th 2020 at 11:52:15 PM

Was Cyclops ever in one relationship that wasn’t abusive or his partner on the brink of committing adultery?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119132: Jul 14th 2020 at 11:57:48 PM

He's dated Colleen Wing and Lee Forrester during the time he believed Jean was dead. Both were short but relatively amicable relationships.

His relationship with Madeline Pryor went sour, but that was very much his fault.

Edited by M84 on Jul 15th 2020 at 2:58:55 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#119133: Jul 15th 2020 at 12:03:32 AM

A hero's mind control powers have to be either very limited or come with some major ethical scruples, otherwise they could just go around telling supervillains, "Don't be a supervillain anymore", and they'd do it. Joker Immunity won't allow that.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#119134: Jul 15th 2020 at 6:24:10 AM

[up][up] Basically, his healthiest relationships are with non-psychics.

Oh and just in case you didn't think Morrison's run was messed up enough, the new power he gave Emma means she has a very similar power set to a villain Scott encountered earlier in his hero career.

Jack O'Diamonds was a criminal and early X-Men foe. While Scott Summers was running away from his orphanage because of his emerging powers, he ran into a forest around where Jack was.[3] Jack used his mental powers to get Scott to join him.

His powers:

Radiation Resistance: This seems to be his true mutant power, since his other abilities came from exposure to radiation. Since he was able to survive the radiation, he was mutated to gain his other powers.

Diamond body: He could transform his entire body into a diamond-like form, much like Emma Frost.

Telepathy: He had a mild form of telepathy in which he was able to sense people's presences, as well as send out mental suggestions to others to bend their will. He could also use this ability to block other telepathic assaults against him.

Teleportation: In his first appearance, he had the ability to teleport himself and others short distances through means of separating someone's atoms and then recombining them at their destination.

otherwise they could just go around telling supervillains, "Don't be a supervillain anymore", and they'd do it.

That's what Zatanna tried to do to Dr Light once. It didn't go as well as she'd hoped. She was much more successful with Catwoman (fans weren't happy with that retcon).

Edited by windleopard on Jul 15th 2020 at 6:27:40 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119135: Jul 15th 2020 at 8:13:54 AM

Hawkeye also once beat a guy with the power to destroy the universe with TNT.

And lets not forget when he saved the entire universe by beating the Grandmaster in a simple Carny game....he cheated too, because you don't risk the universe on a game of chance.

As for Eros....from what little I know, he's actually a decent guy....unless him being a womanizer is canon as well. If so, then yeah.

The fact that that one She Hulk arc where they raised the possibility that he manipulated her had everyone (even him) believing it before it was revealed that Thanos was just messing with everyone shows that there's no one in universe who thinks well of him.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#119136: Jul 15th 2020 at 8:16:12 AM

There’s some late Starlin work I believe that has Eros called a sociopath

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119137: Jul 15th 2020 at 8:21:30 AM

Ouch.

So basically, not a good guy, and never has been, but was seen as one due to the era he was written in.

Gotcha.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#119138: Jul 15th 2020 at 8:36:35 AM

I mean. He acts the good guy. He largely does good stuff

He just doesn’t have the same moral brain stuff as most other heroes

For context it comes up because Thanos accuses Eros of being a sociopath, calling it the dark secret that he’d been hiding. Eros is surprised that Thanos calls him out like that but then shrugs it off like mm probably and then goes back to his weird master plan to stop the threat de jour

I think it’s the same story where Eros tries to stop Thanos from becoming an all consuming cosmic threat by going through time and telling Thanos at various points that he loves and supports him

Which Thanos eventually tells him comes off as super insincere

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 15th 2020 at 11:41:07 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119139: Jul 15th 2020 at 8:44:27 AM

So he's a Heroic Sociopath to Thanos' evil Sociopath?

Well, I guess that makes sense.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#119140: Jul 15th 2020 at 9:14:23 AM

Isn't it possible Thanos was just projecting onto Eros?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119141: Jul 15th 2020 at 9:17:52 AM

Their parents weren't exactly the best either. Their mother outright tried to kill Thanos when he was born because of his appearance (and because she foresaw what he might do), and their father only stopped her because he wanted to see how powerful Thanos would become as an Eternal Deviant mutant.

Eros' main problem is that he genuinely doesn't seem to get why manipulating people the way he does is questionable. In that She-Hulk arc for example, while he didn't commit rape with his powers he did manipulate Jennifer by making her fall super in love with her boyfriend so that she would marry him. Eros genuinely thought he was helping her when he did that.

Eros is kind of like Elmer C. Albatross from Baccano. They are both sociopaths who find validation by spreading love and happiness respectively. But because they lack genuine empathy, they don't really care about the feelings of other people. They just want to see more people in love (Eros) and smiles (Elmer).

That said, Thanos is hardly one to make moral judgements. Shitty as Eros is, he pales in comparison to someone who once killed half the universe.

Edited by M84 on Jul 16th 2020 at 12:26:35 AM

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ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#119142: Jul 15th 2020 at 1:39:48 PM

I love how at the end of the day, Thanos and Eros are two sides of the same coin, but really yin and yang.

Just imagine Eros in the MCU.

Edited by ChumlyX1995 on Jul 15th 2020 at 1:40:12 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#119143: Jul 15th 2020 at 8:31:57 PM

For She-Hulk fans which depiction of her do you think the show should go with; the Statuesque Stunner Ms. Fanservice version or the current larger, Beastess version as depicted by Jason Aaron?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119144: Jul 15th 2020 at 8:41:44 PM

Classic Shulkie. It's what sets her apart from Bruce....since even when he's smart, he's still a large hulking (no pun intended) mountain of a man.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#119145: Jul 15th 2020 at 8:43:12 PM

[up][up]First one, undoubtedly. IIRC this is supposed to lean into the Dan Slott Single Female Lawyer run, and someone comfortable in their own green skin is a lot more interesting than what they’ve done with her recently.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 16th 2020 at 7:51:00 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#119146: Jul 15th 2020 at 8:51:27 PM

I agree, though I do feel that an arc having her tackle the "beastess" characterization would be an interesting one later down the line. A nice shake-up to the status quo so the character can reavaluate itself.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119147: Jul 15th 2020 at 8:52:11 PM

In the recent comics, Jennifer's Hulk form seems to be a mix of the Beastess form and the classic form. She's heavily muscled but is still drawn in a way that we're clearly meant to see as attractive.

Reminds me of Dragon's Crown's Amazon, only with more clothing.

Edited by M84 on Jul 15th 2020 at 11:53:06 PM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#119148: Jul 15th 2020 at 8:55:36 PM

Eh, not like they are strangers to explore their kinks in comics, anyway.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#119149: Jul 16th 2020 at 12:57:35 AM

Eros is living proof of something that was brought up in Jessica Jones (the show at least) when it was pointed out that someone born with mind control powers of any kind simply can't operate on the same moral wavelength as normal people. They literally cannot understand consent properly.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#119150: Jul 16th 2020 at 1:07:44 AM

When did Greg Rucka write She-Hulk?


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