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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118801: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:37:36 PM

That team with Ares also had the Sentry on it. Tony was really at his worst during this time period.

Thankfully, after Dark Reign, he has gotten much better.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#118802: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:38:44 PM

Ive actually been reading the second Shooter run recently. Tigra is a pretty fun character there

But when the team badly tried to stop Molecule Man from eating Earth she can’t bring herself to kill him and later when the team is debating whether to kill him when he’s unconscious or not, Tigra tells him to get his shit together so hard that Molecule Man agrees to go to jail and start therapy

The trying his best to be good Molecule Man of Secret Wars 1 and so on is thanks to Tigra

I’m fine with her not being a “Logan”

Edited by Bocaj on Jun 28th 2020 at 4:39:33 AM

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#118803: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:47:21 PM

Speaking of Tigra, at this point I don’t see her being in the MCU.

Same with Wonder Man.

I can’t see where they would work them in.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#118804: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:49:42 PM

Compared to creating a murderous clone of Thor or hiring supervillains, having Ares as an ally doesn't sound that bad.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#118805: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:51:07 PM

The MCU isn't ready for tiger cat girls sadly

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#118806: Jun 28th 2020 at 3:35:10 PM

The Cat Girl erasure won't be tolerated!

Edited by Blueace on Jun 28th 2020 at 6:35:15 AM

Wake me up at your own risk.
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#118807: Jun 28th 2020 at 3:59:28 PM

I have actually been woondering if Tigra or White Tiger could work in the MCU. For the direction I'd take the MCU in, White Tiger would work better, but neither is a priority addition.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#118808: Jun 28th 2020 at 4:09:00 PM

Tigra was supposed to be in an MCU adjacent cartoon before all those projects were unceremoniously cancelled.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#118809: Jun 28th 2020 at 4:19:51 PM

You just know if they brought in Tigra, the internet will be filled with comparisons to Cats. And that's a pretty heavy shadow to hang over a new character.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#118810: Jun 28th 2020 at 4:22:10 PM

Think Cheetah will be able to move past that?

Wake me up at your own risk.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#118811: Jun 28th 2020 at 4:24:21 PM

[up]This is why I wanted Circe and Giganta in WW 84...

ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#118812: Jun 28th 2020 at 4:47:28 PM

[up]Wonder Woman will probably be a trilogy. So you still have WW3 for them both to show up.

I’m think Cheetah will used in a werewolf type of villain.

But having Tigra in a MCU film might be pushing it. Then again, there’s a rumor Disney + will have a Werewolf by Night show, or he’ll show up in Moon Knight.

So they’re may still be hope for Tigra.

Edited by ChumlyX1995 on Jun 28th 2020 at 4:51:15 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#118813: Jun 28th 2020 at 9:19:03 PM

As for Wonder Man, if Vision ever comes back to life in some capacity beyond the TV show, I'm thinking he'll take Wonder Man up as a name as a funny reversal of what happened in the comics.

The legend has returned.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#118814: Jun 29th 2020 at 2:34:17 AM

So for anyone still doubting if Zendaya's character is MJ we have confirmation that she is @59:35.

Interestingly, the interview is with trans actress MJ Rodriguez, who actually took her stage name from Mary Jane Watson and is a fan of the character. A sorta real life parallel of the "Jackpot" situation!

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118815: Jun 29th 2020 at 2:35:34 AM

Wait did anybody ever doubt that?

I mean, wasn't her literally being called MJ enough of a clue?

Edited by Forenperser on Jun 29th 2020 at 4:49:34 PM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#118816: Jun 29th 2020 at 7:24:14 AM

[up]People really didn’t want her to be, so they hung their hat on her first name being “Michelle”. Even if it was blatantly obvious at the end of FFH.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#118817: Jun 29th 2020 at 7:29:31 AM

they're like

"thats not MJ,she not white or a redhead" and when you point out their objections are a little racist they're act all offended

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#118818: Jun 29th 2020 at 7:45:44 AM

Yeah, that wasn't exactly a big brain moment from those idiots. It was blatantly obvious. This new Spider-Man is breaking all kinds of "rules" that the purists had invented in their heads, and is far better for it in my opinion. Also, Zendaya is fantastic.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#118819: Jun 29th 2020 at 7:52:02 AM

For one thing, Spidey's villains weren't originally Tony Stark villains.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#118820: Jun 29th 2020 at 7:53:19 AM

Though he is no longer as independent.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#118821: Jun 29th 2020 at 7:53:28 AM

I kind of get the feeling some of the people who wanted to doubt who her character was also overlap with some of the people who were mad that she pointed out that the Washington Monument was built by slaves. Like this condescending Slate article that goes out of its way to call her Michelle in every paragraph. Personally I'd say the film's "glaring flaw" was that the entire plot hinged on the slective irresponsibility of both Tony and Happy, forcing Peter and Ned to act effectively alone.

(The White House, the US Capitol Building and its "statue of freedom", Wall Street, Harvard Law School, and many other buildings and landmarks definitely were, while the Washington Monument was built at least in part by slaves, making the scene not inaccurate)

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Jun 29th 2020 at 9:56:32 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#118822: Jun 29th 2020 at 7:53:49 AM

..that Spider-man menace is STEALING every heroes adversaries,the nerve!

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#118823: Jun 29th 2020 at 7:53:50 AM

Iirc the director of Homecoming was like “nah, she’s not really MJ” after the movie came out, and the situations surrounding the movie gave off the impression that the character was always just going to be Michelle before they decided to nickname her MJ for brand recognition.

It’s only relatively recently that we’re starting to get WOG to the tune of “she’s this universe’s equivalent to Mary Jane.” Before they were bluntly two separate characters.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 29th 2020 at 7:54:07 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#118824: Jun 29th 2020 at 7:55:21 AM

[up][up][up] Wait if it’s built partly by slaves then it is built by slaves.

That’s like saying I didn’t build a figma cause I only worked on 35% of it. I still built it or helped build it even if I didn’t do the whole thing.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 29th 2020 at 8:09:24 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#118825: Jun 29th 2020 at 7:58:09 AM

[up]Exactly. Also, "Heeeeeeeeeere's Figma Madoka Kaname, SH Monster Arts Godzilla, and Masterpiece Optimus Prime!"

[up][up]Didn't they outright refer to her as MJ in the movie at the end?


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