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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#118576: Jun 19th 2020 at 9:20:37 AM

It said when the moon is full and have a white shinny glove, he can moonwalk all night long.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#118577: Jun 19th 2020 at 9:23:10 AM

[up]x6 Which is funny, since he is a jewish immigrant with mental disabilities. One of his most famous issues was when his Jewish background is explained and we're shown that his dad was a rabbi holocaust survivor (nowadays I think it would his grandfather). A group of neo-nazis vandalize a synagogue and he goes on a rampage to hunt nazis.

Edited by Akirakan on Jun 19th 2020 at 11:25:07 AM

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#118580: Jun 19th 2020 at 11:13:06 AM

Well, time to start riffing it with the family.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#118581: Jun 19th 2020 at 11:49:39 AM

I actually liked 2005 FF despite its issues. It's very dumb and shallow, Doom was extremely weak, not a very good "proper" superhero movie, but it was schlocky fun.

Edit: Oh, Fant4stic. Great.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jun 19th 2020 at 2:52:54 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118582: Jun 19th 2020 at 11:52:11 AM

I for one found the 2005 and 2007 films much more enjoyable after the reboot.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#118583: Jun 19th 2020 at 12:28:54 PM

Neither of the Tim Story movies are great or even good but they're not as offensively bad as some of the other Marvel movies of the era. And hey they got the costumes right at least.

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#118584: Jun 19th 2020 at 2:01:23 PM

[up]x 6.

Fantastic Four (2015) is seriously the first and (so-far only) Fox - Marvel Movie on Disney Plus in America?

Cause over here in the UK, we've had Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, X-Men 1, X2: X-Men United, X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, The Wolverine and X-Men: Days of Future Past on Disney Plus ever since the service launched back in March.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#118585: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:07:59 PM

@Akirakan: I didn't know that. I was just going based off of the reactions I've seen elsewhere.
Also, as mentioned when talking about mutants: racists and other bigots aren't exactly logical.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#118586: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:54:05 PM

I didn't find the first two Fantastic 4 movies nearly as bad as most people seem too. Other than mishandlling DOOM, they were decent enough superhero movies for the time. Nothing to write home about, but not the absolute trash some people treat then as.

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The Head of the Hydra
#118587: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:54:44 PM

Their Thing was very good I recall.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118588: Jun 19th 2020 at 4:01:47 PM

Oh yeah, Michael Chiklis was extremely well casted. I also liked Laurence Fishburne as Norrin.

Those two really saved the two movies somewhat.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#118589: Jun 19th 2020 at 4:03:24 PM

[up]x5 - Most of those films were presumably tied up in commitments to other services. Once those commitments expire, they can come over.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#118590: Jun 19th 2020 at 4:21:46 PM

I did not hate the first two Fantastic Four movies. I remember Chiklis' enthusiasm at playing the Thing was visible onscreen even with his makeup. I was kinda disappointed by their Reed Richards, and of course by the fact that Susan Storm was mostly there to undress once per movie (with a particularly stupid justification in the second film). I should rewatch these movies some day just to have fun watching Captain America fly and shoot flames.

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#118591: Jun 19th 2020 at 4:59:56 PM

Steve had quite the wild phase, all things considered.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118592: Jun 19th 2020 at 5:09:37 PM

Well at least he still got out of it as a hero.

The other Johnny was not so lucky.

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#118593: Jun 19th 2020 at 5:15:36 PM

So, when's Jay Underwood going to be offered a role in the MCU?

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#118594: Jun 19th 2020 at 5:55:05 PM

I feel like Killmonger should have stuck around. He just seems like an excellent foil to T'Challa, a lot like Loki to Thor.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#118595: Jun 19th 2020 at 6:28:15 PM

RE: Fant4stic being the first true Fox movie on Disney+:

Well. That's...something.

At the very least, on the off-chance Disney+ gets a Twitter that behaves like Netflix's NX or even the Official Sonic Twitter, I can see them spinning this into something funny and snarky like:

  • "When it comes to getting a fix of Marvel's First Family, we KNOW you have better options than Fant4stic."

  • "Not that you would watch Fant4stic on Disney+ right now, but you could. (But we're positive you won't.) #NoJudgment"

  • "We at Disney+ would like to assure you that none of us were looking forward to Fant4stic any more than you were."

  • "Remember that time Galactus was a space cloud? Or how about the time Doctor Doom was a sentient crash test dummy with a green cloak? Good times, no?"

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 19th 2020 at 9:30:13 AM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#118596: Jun 19th 2020 at 7:58:06 PM

I wonder any version of Steve and Quill bonded over being Fish out of Temporal Water.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#118597: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:03:40 PM

I have to admit that while all people expect a referent of sherlock toward stark and strange, I was expecting one between steve and killmonger.

But anyway, it was what it was.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#118598: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:33:36 PM

[up] Maybe the one from the Guardians cartoon a few years back? As far as I know the movie is the one to originate the concept of Quill being an abductee where before he was an astronaut who grew up on Earth.

[down] I personally didn't watch much out of that batch of Marvel animated stuff outside the early episodes of Ultimate Spider-Man. The Avengers show especially seems to me (as someone who hasn't watched it) as mostly tie-in stuff to whatever the movies were doing, which didn't seem to be a recipe for stuff I'd enjoy.

Edited by Aleistar on Jun 19th 2020 at 11:38:08 AM

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Funny but not helpful
#118599: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:35:55 PM

God, I wanted to like that cartoon. It was like... half good. It got halfway there and I did like it more than the Avengers one.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#118600: Jun 21st 2020 at 8:46:25 PM

Re-watching Civil War, and some thoughts came up from someone I was talking to:

The first theory is that Zemo may not have gotten all the Winter Soldiers, that one might have been kept someone else....and that Winter Soldier is Taskmaster.

It would certainly simplify things, plus Bucky did state they were all better versions of him, just more unstable. Maybe they got lucky and created one that wasn't just stable, but also talented at mimicry.

Second comes the question of how come Zemo was the only one who found the information that Bucky killed Howard Stark. Surely others (including in what was left of Shield) would have been trying to decrypt the information that Widow leaked. It seems strange to me that Fury never found out, since we know he was still being the most super of super spies in super spydom. I know Zemo admitted that it took a lot of effort, and the reason he did it was due to a single minded desire to set every single Avenger on fire (and damned if he didn't light all their asses up). but still.

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