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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#118551: Jun 19th 2020 at 2:53:01 AM

Pretty much all of Mystique's relationships with anyone besides Irene Adler were screwed up. Just look at how she treats her surrogate daughter Rogue. And Raven actually loves Rogue. She's simply too screwed up to show it in a remotely healthy manner.

At one point she decided to test Rogue's relationship with Gambit by trying to seduce Gambit as a new Xavier Institute student named Foxx. Who does that? And Raven genuinely thought she was looking out for Rogue by doing this.

Edited by M84 on Jun 19th 2020 at 5:55:42 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#118552: Jun 19th 2020 at 2:57:47 AM

To say nothing of how Scott and Emma's relationship started with her taking advantage of his trauma while being his sex therapist.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118553: Jun 19th 2020 at 2:58:40 AM

I still think Emma / Scott was far more interesting than Jean / Scott though.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#118554: Jun 19th 2020 at 2:59:52 AM

It's interesting in the sense that it's a relationship founded on abuse but the writers sadly didn't realize that.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#118555: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:02:40 AM

"Interesting" and "remotely healthy" are two different things. There's a reason so many romance novels revolve around super fucked up relationships.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#118556: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:10:33 AM

Scott can’t seem to find one healthy relationship.

Their either abusing him or cheating on him with a literal hairy meatball.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 19th 2020 at 3:10:41 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#118557: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:10:56 AM

Eh, Jean never actually cheated on him. At least not in the mainline comics. The closest she got to that was when she kissed Logan once and admitted that she felt something for him even if she loved Scott. And this was during the whole "affair" between Emma and Scott.

Edited by M84 on Jun 19th 2020 at 6:12:09 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#118558: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:15:08 AM

[up][up] There was Lee Forrester a human who was the captain of a fishing trawler. Theri relationship was nice but she broke up with him because she didn't want to be involved in the craziness the X-Men bring with them.

His and Madelyne's relationship was healthy until she was revealed as Jean's clone.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118559: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:15:11 AM

Yeah Wolverine and Jean has never been a thing in the mainstream comcis, thankfully.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#118560: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:16:18 AM

Doesn't Hickman's run have Jean, Logan, Emma and Scott in an implied poly relationship?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#118561: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:17:00 AM

[up][up] That is honestly surprising.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 19th 2020 at 3:18:01 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#118562: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:22:53 AM

The relationship dynamics between Jean and male X-Men have always been messed up. Let's not forget that Xavier had feelings for Jean too, which is problematic for many reasons.

The Ultimate version of Xavier was actually better about this because he had the guts to confess he felt this way to Scott before his (apparent) death rescuing Jean from Cable.

Edited by M84 on Jun 19th 2020 at 6:24:07 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#118563: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:24:28 AM

Her relationship with Bobby might be the most healthy given he's the only one who wasn't attracted to her if memory serves.

[up] Then again, 616 Xavier had enough of a conscience to not pursue a relationship with his students unlike Ultimate Xavier. It's just that Ultimate Xavier never pursued a relationship with Jean.

Edited by windleopard on Jun 19th 2020 at 3:25:44 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118564: Jun 19th 2020 at 3:24:29 AM

Xavier being this grandfatherly, kind figure in pretty much all adaptations is also one of these things that became Common Knowledge.

In the comics he could be an enormous dick.

Edited by Forenperser on Jun 19th 2020 at 12:25:28 PM

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#118565: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:06:32 AM

Because it was a road trip from Brazil to NYC. Crossing the American continent(s). I wanted to use an adjective that could convey that, without changing the structure of the title (to something like "Hulk's Incredible Road Trip"). But yeah, it was dumb and a bit of a stretch.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#118566: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:10:26 AM

Random question regarding Moon Knight:

Did Warren Ellis contribute to anything noteworthy when he wrote Moon Knight?

Because people have recently been accusing him of being a bad, icky person (don't make me go into specifics, please), so it might not be a great idea if Marvel Studios used aspects that were written by a creep.

(Also, it probably puts a damper on getting anything resembling Nextwave anytime soon...) sad

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#118567: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:17:56 AM

I didn't know what happened, so I did a quick search. Just from the screencapped emails alone... gross.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#118568: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:31:51 AM

[up][up] Yeah, that news of Ellis really bummed me out. If you would ask who is my favorite comic book writer I would say Ellis in a heartbeat, now I'm not sure.

As for your question, his MK run is considered a revitalizer of the character. I definitely do think we're going to see some aspects, particularly the Mr. Knight persona, and I can see the origin he gave to MK being the one used (that he has brain damage that Khonshu used to enter his mind and fragment his personalities).

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#118569: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:41:39 AM

Speaking of Moon Knight, recent comics gave him a considerable power boost.

The nature of his power as a champion of a moon deity allows him to beat the crap out of Thor by taking control of Mjolnir. Apparently this is because Mjolnir was forged with uru, which Moon Knight reveals is actually moon rock (it's an ore from the first moon in the universe).

Disgusted, but not surprised
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118570: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:46:57 AM

I never really had any interest in the character tbh.

Don't even know why.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#118571: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:55:59 AM

[up][up]So... powered by all "moons"? What about other satellites?
In any case, that's kinda BS.

[up]It's not just you. I'd never cared until I heard of him as a likely MCU character. And I still don't care except that he'll shut up the anti-diversity people for a little bit.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#118572: Jun 19th 2020 at 8:59:24 AM

[up]Moon Knight is empowered by a Moon god. So yes, it means power over anything moon related. It doesn't just mean Earth's Moon.

It helps that they were also fighting on Earth's Moon at the time, which gave Moon Knight even more power.

Edited by M84 on Jun 20th 2020 at 12:01:22 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#118573: Jun 19th 2020 at 9:11:58 AM

It's an interesting source of power, but I guess I just thought he's supposed to be street level.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#118574: Jun 19th 2020 at 9:15:40 AM

He summons Infinite Moon Works

I love it as something stupid and ridiculous that happened with a straight face

Something something type moon

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#118575: Jun 19th 2020 at 9:18:33 AM

He moons people. But only at night.


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