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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#118401: Jun 17th 2020 at 8:43:23 PM

That meaningful nod between Steven and T'Challa clinched to me something I'd been suspecting for the past few years: that the MCU is going to treating T'Challa as a Face / central point for the franchise in the future in the same way Tony and Steve were in the prior phases.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#118402: Jun 18th 2020 at 1:10:03 AM

They'd be foolish not to do that.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#118403: Jun 18th 2020 at 1:23:18 AM

If that gives us more of Shuri as the new MCU tech wizard, I'm all for it.

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BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#118404: Jun 18th 2020 at 4:15:56 AM

The future will be forged of Vibranium.

... Although now that they have Wolverine they might also introduce Adamantium. Or they could give Logan Vibranium bones.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#118405: Jun 18th 2020 at 4:26:42 AM

That would be pretty counterproductive. Yeah, we made sure all of the energy and damage that would be wasted on your bones will spread out into your organs instead.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#118406: Jun 18th 2020 at 5:47:49 AM

That and as far as aesthetics go, Wolverine would not look good with glowing purple claws.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#118407: Jun 18th 2020 at 5:51:27 AM

I’m personally hoping not to see wolverine for a while purple claws or no

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#118408: Jun 18th 2020 at 6:07:36 AM

I only have one question about shuri.....

did she really deleate that footage or not?.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#118409: Jun 18th 2020 at 7:01:59 AM

[up][up]

Logan is as inevitable as Thanos.

That being said, they can take their time getting to him...or maybe they can just skip him.

I mean, we had Logan for years right? I'm indifferent either way.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118410: Jun 18th 2020 at 7:03:28 AM

Wolverine had his spotlight.

Give us a decent Cyclops first.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#118411: Jun 18th 2020 at 7:04:50 AM

Both live action Cyclops's were boring as hell, which is sad, because his brand of heat vision is very interesting.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#118412: Jun 18th 2020 at 7:06:24 AM

Also is really hard to top huge jackman wolverine, specially after Logan.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#118413: Jun 18th 2020 at 7:15:02 AM

I'm just tired of Mutants the same way I'm tired of Spider-man, and am borderline tired of the Fantastic Four, so I'm in no rush to have them join.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#118414: Jun 18th 2020 at 7:15:58 AM

What, and the Avengers have not been overused, especially since 2012?

Edited by Forenperser on Jun 18th 2020 at 4:16:05 PM

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#118415: Jun 18th 2020 at 7:18:03 AM

[up][up] I'd be tired of Fantastic Four if there had been any Fantastic Four movie released during the last decade.

Edited by C105 on Jun 18th 2020 at 4:18:04 PM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#118417: Jun 18th 2020 at 7:27:04 AM

What, and the Avengers have not been overused, especially since 2012?

Compared to the X-Men and Spider-Man no.

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#118418: Jun 18th 2020 at 7:29:34 AM

More like I'm tired of Xavier, Wolverine, and Magneto.

Just Makima.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#118419: Jun 18th 2020 at 7:31:26 AM

Weird consider we have seen more of avenger that any other hero, specially Tony whow as oversused as hell and only now they get rid of him.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#118420: Jun 18th 2020 at 7:43:16 AM

I agree. Much as I liked Xavier and Magneto (they always got good actors I believe), and even though I think Logan has had some great stories, we haven't really seen the Xmen. Just the Wolverine, Professor X and Magneto show (though that last one is only later on), featuring other mutants.

We need a proper Cyclops...and Angel for that matter. Lets See Colossus as part of the team proper, though he's had a good run in Deadpool.

Lets make Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver mutants again.

Lets have some actual progress in mutant rights.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118421: Jun 18th 2020 at 8:16:06 AM

x4[up] I disagree. Since 2012 the Avengers have been the dominant force in the comics.

But yeah Wolverine, Magneto and Xavier are overused among the X-Men. Cyclops, Storm and Nightcrawler need more attention.

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#118422: Jun 18th 2020 at 8:23:56 AM

I will said magneto and xavier peak in days of future past since it was the best of them, I disply apocalyspse for turing magneto into a villian again.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#118423: Jun 18th 2020 at 8:27:47 AM

Not that I was comparing them to the Avengers, but most of the Avengers aren't returning in featured roles in the near future. I want to see more of the latest crop of new characters. Consider how many films we've seen various Marvel characters in feature roles in since since the first Blade film, which started Marvel films in 1998:

  • Iron Man: 9 (dead before Far From Home, which isn't counted, though it's still about him)
  • Spider-Man (Peter Parker): 8, (not counting Spider-Verse)
  • Professor Xavier: 8
  • Black Widow: 7 (8 once her movie comes out)
  • Magneto: 7
  • Wolverine: 7
  • Mystique: 7
  • Captain America (Steve Rogers): 7
  • Thor: 7
  • Hulk: 6
  • War Machine/Rhodey: 6
  • Jean Grey: 5
  • Phil Coulson: 4 (plus Agents of Shield)
  • Nick Fury: 4 (not counting cameos)
  • Loki: 4 (not counting Infinity War)
  • Cyclops: 4
  • Hawkeye: 4
  • Ant-Man: 4
  • Bucky: 4
  • Rocket, Nebula, Gamora: 4
  • Heimdall: 3 (Not counting Infinity War)
  • Quicksilver: 3 (or 4 if his role was featured in Dark Phoenix, I didn't watch it)
  • Scarlet Witch, Vision: 3
  • Drax, Groot, Quill: 3
  • Falcon: 3
  • Black Panther: 3
  • Fantastic Four: 3
  • Doctor Doom: 3
  • Deadpool: 3
  • Blade: 3
  • Punisher: 2 (and 2 Netflix seasons)
  • Doctor Strange: 2
  • Captain Marvel: 2
  • Wong: 2
  • The Cloak of Levitation: 2
  • Elektra: 2 (plus 2 Netflix seasons)
  • Daredevil: 1 (plus 4 Netflix seasons)

Special notes:

  • Movies not yet released are not counted
  • Snapped characters are not counted for Endgame, but Gamora is.
  • How did Tony and Nat get so many so fast?
    • 4 Avengers films
    • Cap 3
    • Iron Man 2
    • Plus:
      • Tony: Iron Man 1, 3, Spidey-Homecoming
      • Nat: Cap 2 (her own film isn't out yet to be counted)
  • And then you have weird stuff like:
    • Storm (and other X-Men shunted to the side) could be between 1 and 5
    • Okoye could be between 1 and 3 (Infinity War, Endgame)
    • Mantis could be 1 or 2 (Infinity War)

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Jun 18th 2020 at 11:02:58 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#118424: Jun 18th 2020 at 8:35:46 AM

x4[up] I disagree. Since 2012 the Avengers have been the dominant force in the comics.

Spider-Man and the X-Men have gotten the lion's share of focus and development in Marvel for at least three decades. Even now, how many X-men books do we have compared to the Avengers? Even before the film rights reverted back to Marvel, the X-Men had at least three books being published at a time. The Avengers weren't the dominant force, they just got a bit more of the spotlight Spider-Man and the X-Men had for a long time.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#118425: Jun 18th 2020 at 9:44:30 AM

[up] Yeah, last I checked, the 90's in particular was primarily dominated by Spider-Man and the X-Men, probably because of their cartoons.

While Iron Man and Hulk had cartoons too, the Avengers in general weren't really as big for some reason.

Geez, the wait for MCU Mutants is exasperating...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 18th 2020 at 12:48:21 PM


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