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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#118226: Jun 14th 2020 at 8:13:55 AM

Getting every last bone broken by an actual superhuman?

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#118227: Jun 14th 2020 at 12:38:25 PM

If we talk about the movies, the Peak Humans would be guys like Natasha or Hawkeye.

Natasha is capable of fighting Bucky, but the moment she tries a direct physical confrontation, she is defeated in seconds.

For example:

  • Peak Humans: Black Widow, Batroc and Hawkeye.
  • Low-level superhumans: Super-soldiers, Gamora and Jessica Jones.
  • Mid level superhumans: Spider-man and Loki.
  • High superhumans.: Hulk and Thor.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jun 14th 2020 at 12:39:12 PM

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#118228: Jun 14th 2020 at 12:47:04 PM

Compare the power difference between comic book Bucky, who aside from his prosthetic arm is just a highly trained human, and MCU enhanced Bucky.

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#118229: Jun 14th 2020 at 12:48:42 PM

I’m pretty sure Gamora is considerably higher tier in the comics.

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#118230: Jun 14th 2020 at 12:51:08 PM

I think she's also higher tier in the movies, if her feats in Guardians 2 mean anything. She and Drax seemed to be mid-superhuman there. The Guardians films just don't consistently give much of a benchmark for how physically strong each of them are.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#118231: Jun 14th 2020 at 12:51:27 PM

[up][up]It may be, but in the movies she's just a low-level superhuman.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jun 14th 2020 at 12:51:36 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#118232: Jun 14th 2020 at 12:51:47 PM

Vision and Captain Marvel are probably the biggest cases so far of Adaptational Badass in the MCU.

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#118233: Jun 14th 2020 at 12:52:14 PM

She's the Deadliest Woman in the Universe tm

I'm personally unsure about that what with the introduction of Angela and Proxima Midnight and Black Swan and lets just say that there's a lot of competition and Gamora usually doesn't super impress.

She got 90% of her skin burned off by being too close to a sun in a dyson sphere once and walked it off. That did super impress.

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#118234: Jun 14th 2020 at 12:54:31 PM

[up][up][up]I don't think so. In Guardians 2, she was holding onto a chain that Drax was holding onto while the ship was crashing, with Drax smashing through tree after tree after tree, and she held onto that chain fine. Later in the film, she blew up Nebula's ship with a gigantic metal laser cannon over her shoulder the size of a room.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jun 14th 2020 at 12:55:32 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#118235: Jun 14th 2020 at 12:55:21 PM

The biggest Adaptational Wimp case in the MCU (well, the one that bothers me the most anyways) would be the Nova Corps.

Edited by Forenperser on Jun 14th 2020 at 9:55:50 PM

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#118236: Jun 14th 2020 at 12:57:45 PM

As a general think, super hero adaptation always reduce super quite a bit, from DCCU Superman who can be knock out with a missile to Thor in Marvel who is good but no earth shattering good, movie avoid the "it can destroy entire army by themselves" and other wanking comic like to put every know and them.

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#118237: Jun 14th 2020 at 1:12:59 PM

Except for Catwoman, which decided its hero needed Ancient Egyptian cat powers.

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#118238: Jun 14th 2020 at 1:17:46 PM

Well Thor is close to destroying a whole army by himself at the end of Infinity War. And I'm really curious to see what they are going to do with Carol, who is on a completely different level than anything we had seen so far.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#118239: Jun 14th 2020 at 1:37:18 PM

Probably introduce Galactus next.

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#118240: Jun 14th 2020 at 1:41:48 PM

If that's the case, and even though it's completely silly, I'd really like him to be the giant guy with handles on his helmet instead of another representation.

Edited by C105 on Jun 14th 2020 at 10:42:48 AM

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#118241: Jun 14th 2020 at 1:44:30 PM

I think the first realistic portrayal of "Peak Human" in the MCU was when Blonsky got the low-dose super serum. With the realistic end result.

Blonksy would have the same powers as Cap, iirc. He got far less of the stuff, so less of a boost, but it's still of a grey area.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#118242: Jun 14th 2020 at 2:29:06 PM

[up]*7, I would say that the greatest example of Adaptational Wimp is Corvus, He went from being someone who is capable of fighting the Hulk to having trouble defeating normal humans.

It still bothers me that Okoye killed him like he was just a Mook.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jun 14th 2020 at 2:39:41 AM

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#118243: Jun 14th 2020 at 4:01:52 PM

Doesn't bother me. The movies played him up as an infiltration specialist, but inferior in a direct fight. She killed him with a specialized weapon, foreknowledge, and by being one of the best warriors on the planet.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#118244: Jun 14th 2020 at 4:39:10 PM

"Peak human" is kind of a useless descriptor because it basically means "This character has superpowers but we're gonna say they don't."

Characters like Batman (and all of his sidekicks), Hawkeye, Shang-Chi and others regularly do things that are flat-out physically impossible, but the narrative pretends it's stuff normal people could do if they just trained hard enough.

Edited by comicwriter on Jun 14th 2020 at 5:18:54 AM

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#118245: Jun 14th 2020 at 4:58:34 PM

I saw Shang Chi punch a building in half once

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#118246: Jun 14th 2020 at 5:18:40 PM

You can do it too if you go to enough taekwondo classes at your local strip mall.

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#118247: Jun 14th 2020 at 5:19:24 PM

[up][up][up]Yep, there this general pretention of human chararter doing flat up supernatural stuff but be writen as huma ingenuity, or "he was just really good and awsome".

I call that the batman syndrome: chararter do stuff it should be imposible and the narrative and fan praise them because of that.

Edited by unknowing on Jun 14th 2020 at 8:19:42 AM

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#118248: Jun 14th 2020 at 5:24:17 PM

It’s fact that if you learn enough martial arts you can stop earthquakes with your fists. tongue

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#118249: Jun 14th 2020 at 5:40:42 PM

I think the worst example of "Peak Human" would be Karate Kid, who before the crisis was capable of beating Superman in a direct fight.

ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#118250: Jun 14th 2020 at 5:46:04 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up] Corvus Glaive was a glass canon.

In Infinity War Vision, while injured, came up behind him and stabbed him to death.

So of course Okoye speared the guy. He was great at being sneaky though. That’s his area of expertise.

Edited by ChumlyX1995 on Jun 14th 2020 at 5:55:21 AM


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