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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Honestly, Peter is already a Super-Soldier.
Super-Strength, Super-Speed and Agility, the ability to scale walls and cling to ceilings for stealthier approaches, and a Precognitive Spider-Sense that warns him of danger. Add on some combat training on top of that (rather than the Taught by Experience method Peter went through) and you got a better Captain America than the actual Captain America (who remember is only peak human in all categories, which is still impressive).
As for Thor and Loki, they don't really need it.
I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often. Spider-Island in both the comics and the most recent animated series dealt with other people getting Peter's powers, though not one for one: in Marvel's Spiderman, they had organic webbing and seemed to lack the Spider-Sense but they did have members of Hydra (and Black Widow also receive those powers) and the first season of that series talked a lot about a potential Spider Army.
The Ultimate Comics had Oz, which was the extra punch in the super powered cocktail that gave Peter his powers, and an offshoot of the Super-Soldier program as well.
In 616 though, the actual details behind how Peter got his abilities aren't well known I believe, so it might be harder to pull off unless someone gets a sample of his blood.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Jun 13th 2020 at 8:07:39 AM
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(who remember is only peak human in all categories, which is still impressive).
A fictional "Peak Human" is still superhuman for realistic standards.
And it is noteworthy that its power can vary. Sometimes a "Peak Human" is relatively realistic and in other cases they are able to fight guys like Spider-man or Venom.
"Peak Human" means as fast as Usain Bolt, the lifting strength of Lasha Talakhadze
, the punching power of Ernie Shaver, etc. All of the top record-setting athletes combined into one body.
As far as Cap goes, that's also including the endurance of a triathlete.
But in any case, I had this argument in a youtube video, and will concede here that the other side from me made a much better point. Yes, by the end of the MCU (and by the Helicopter feat, at least, Cap id definitely super-human.
It's quite possible that as long as he kept up his training, he'd just get better and better physically, without the risk of bodily breakdowns.
And yet... the superhuman-ness of the helicopter feat, or the absurd falls he gets up and walks off from, do feel off.
Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Jun 13th 2020 at 10:19:11 AM
This is that obligatory time where I say peak human is bullshit and has always been bullshit. Pretty much everybody who's "peak human" in comics is just low-level superhuman (see "peak human" Wilson Fisk regularly bringing down walls of concrete with a punch).
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Think of it simply as a categorization. Peak Human in comics generally doesn't literally mean "this character will only ever accomplish feats that a realistic human could," it means "plot-wise this character will be written as though they don't have superpowers, and will be regarded by other characters as such."
Powers wise, it generally means that in a situation where a Peak Human character and a character with even mild-super ability try to do the same physical activity, the Peak Human character will not do as well.
Plotwise, I think MCU Cap is absolutely meant to be considered super-human. It feeds into Schmidt's ideology that be built around his post-serum self, and if the formula used on Blonsky (at first) really was the same used on Steve it does things like transform the body to be enhanced.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 13th 2020 at 9:38:40 AM
There was an issue long ago with Badass Normal where people insisted that Captain America (and similar heroes) qualified because their powerset is not explicitly called superhuman, even though his powerset was given to him artificially and is an express enhancement. There is still an entry on Captain America because of the vagueness of the wording, but we cracked down on that kind of use of the trope because people were putting in examples like "they use an outdated mecha or Powered Armor" or "their Super-Toughness is not that big of an advantage."
There is this character, Michael Van Patrick aka MVP, who was raised using the plans from Dr. Erskine -he was his grandfather- to raise "natural" super soldiers.
Beacuse of this, when he is enlisted the Avengers Initiative he, um, dies. They clone him and return one of his clones to his family stating that even thought he is literally a perfect human in the peakest peak of condition, he is ultimately considered powerless and he would be safer staying out of action.
MCU Cap takes more after Ultimate Cap, powerwise, who has also always been explicitly superhuman, compared to 616 Cap who always skirted the line Depending on the Writer.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianPeak human has always been bullshit. Compare the physique/shape of a weightlifter to that of a gymnast and you see that they require completely different things from a human body. You physically cannot have both at once.
It's a necessary weasel but I think that the Ultimate Marvel version whereby Cap or other users of the same serum are clearly low level superhuman actually makes more sense.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."Like was said before, Peak Human in comic book terms means something different than Peak Human in real life. Comic book peak human is superhuman for our standarts.
Look at Batman for example. He is also just a regular human who trained really hard, but in our world he would pretty much be a superhuman. Same with 616 Cap, only he got it through a serum.
Still, there is a difference between those and people who toss around cars for breakfast. Ultimate Cap fell into the clear Superhuman category from the start, which I think is just more fitting.
Edited by Forenperser on Jun 14th 2020 at 5:12:53 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianLol yeah, that's another thing. Rich people in comics.
They would pretty much single-handedly break our economies, were they real.
Edited by Forenperser on Jun 14th 2020 at 2:26:23 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianWhich is used as an excuse for Reed Richards being useless sometimes
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Or just have Peter "prove" he's not Spidey in any of the other ways he has at his disposal. I'm expecting the next movie to start with nobody really believing Peter is Spidey, but for the public to believe Mysterio's accusations about Spider-Man to be true even though the authorities have proof that they aren't.
I can see J.J.'s headline now. "SPIDER-MAN FRAMES INNOCENT CHILD! EVEN MYSTERIO WAS FOOLED!"