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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#118151: Jun 9th 2020 at 1:11:22 AM

Boyega was my fan cast for Blade, because he has a convincing American accent

Except Blade is British, so John can just use his natural British accent.

In the comics he also still considers himself a Brit.

I think there's more to Blue Marvel than "He's old", but whatever.

Plus Adam's powers age him slowly anyway.

Though personally i'm pulling for Lance Reddick for the role.

Edited by Cortez on Jun 9th 2020 at 4:18:26 AM

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#118152: Jun 9th 2020 at 1:14:09 AM

[up][up] I think that the point here is to show the danger of having such power be abused (and also Cap was not around this time to stop Tony). Tony's main motto has always been that any tech is not bad as long as it is him controlling it, and EDITH is basically what he wanted to do with Ultron. And we got to see the horrific downsides of such plans going wrong, be they Insight, Ultron, or EDITH.

The question is whether Peter will keep using EDITH in the future, but my take on it is that he will save the killer drones for the emergency situations like the Instant Kill mode of his suit.

Edited by C105 on Jun 9th 2020 at 10:14:31 AM

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#118153: Jun 9th 2020 at 1:21:03 AM

I remember seeing this tweet saying:

it's weird that [FFH's] ending wasn't "we should get rid of the murder drone goggles," it was, "finally, the murder drone goggles, back in the right hands".

And it strikes me as a very odd thing to keep as part of Spider-Man's arsenal at the end. Homecoming straight up calls him the "working class hero". But giving a billionaire's inheritance and global surveillance system clashes with that archetype immensely. It's an aspect of the film's "Spidey is the new Iron Man"-ification that really doesn't mesh with why the character has been popular across generations.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 9th 2020 at 1:25:43 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#118154: Jun 9th 2020 at 1:27:06 AM

Also, are there any other Hispanic or Latinx characters of note in Marvel?

Hector Ayala/White Tiger who was the the first Puerto Rican super hero.

There's also his sister Ava and niece Angela who inherited the White Tiger mantle.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#118155: Jun 9th 2020 at 1:29:56 AM

In a story where Tony creates yet another item of untold death, one that's functionally identical to the weapon of another movie's big bad, along with yet another villain Spidey has to fight in Mysterio, the film seems completely averse to judging him in any way.

Like, I get why the characters would be hard-pressed to judge him given his death, but the story goes out of it's way to undermine any blame you could want to give him anyway.

The story frames Edith falling into Beck's hands as Peter's mistake. He fucked up he responsibility someone else gave to him, never bothering to question whether that responsibility should even exist in the first place. And Beck is such a complete lunatic, any legit grievances he might have had with Stark are completely buried under how monstrous he is.

Edited by GNinja on Jun 9th 2020 at 8:36:24 AM

Kaze ni Nare!
32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#118156: Jun 9th 2020 at 1:54:34 AM

Really, Tony should should have read up on some of the principles of designing ethical technology.

Edited by 32ndfreeze on Jun 9th 2020 at 7:12:17 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#118157: Jun 9th 2020 at 1:59:12 AM

It's a little late for that. He's not up to inventing anything nowadays. Because of the death.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#118158: Jun 9th 2020 at 2:05:21 AM

Meanwhile In The MCU's Afterlife: "What we need is a shield around heaven!"

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#118159: Jun 9th 2020 at 4:28:31 AM

[up] Why not? It's not like anything he does there will make them any more dead than they already are.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#118160: Jun 9th 2020 at 4:30:17 AM

"So, today I learned that souls can be destroyed."

Disgusted, but not surprised
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#118161: Jun 9th 2020 at 6:48:42 AM

"Apparently half of Heaven got snapped too."

The legend has returned.
ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#118162: Jun 9th 2020 at 7:51:03 AM

I still hold that EDITH was either never meant to see the light of day, or was only going to be given to Peter when he was MUCH older. NOT when he was still in High School.

Note we only have FURY'S word that Tony wanted Peter to have EDITH, in seriousness I'd say Tony would have entrusted that task to either Happy or Pepper NOT FURY given that Fury was never than close to Tony at best. And the Former two, after FRIDAY would have given them the details on what EDITH was would have looked at each other and gone "Oh hell no." when it came to the decision on giving it to Peter.

Pepper/Happy would have destroyed the Glasses themselves or locked them up till Peter was older and could make more rational decisions with it.

This leads to the theory that Fury outright STOLE EDITH from the Stark Home post Tony's Death.

ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#118163: Jun 9th 2020 at 8:05:00 AM

Keep in mind, this is Skrull Talos, not Fury.

Possibly under Fury’s orders most of the time, but still not Fury himself.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#118164: Jun 9th 2020 at 8:33:08 AM

The stinger confirms that Talos was under Fury's orders when he gave Peter the glasses. So as far as I am concerned...Fury not Tony made that boneheaded call to give Peter EDITH.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#118165: Jun 9th 2020 at 8:45:31 AM

Come to think of it, Iron Man's armour pack up some incredibly lethal stuff. He seldom uses it against normal people, but in any other hands it would be a weapon of mass destruction. It is quite possible he simply thought of EDITH as a similar device.

It is also possible that Fury had no idea of the killer drones when he gave the glasses to Peter and thought it was only some kind of superhacking tool. Or maybe he simply hoped that Peter would transfer the glasses control back to him instead, since they were keyed to Peter's biometrics (which leads me to wonder if a Skrull could have fooled them).

Edited by C105 on Jun 9th 2020 at 8:22:29 PM

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#118166: Jun 9th 2020 at 10:54:23 AM

The FFH vs. WS thing is kind of in line with the philosophy established in the Iron Man movies, where "Super tech in government's hands = bad; Super tech in responsible private citizen's hands = good."

That said, I really don't want the murder drones to feature in the next Spider-Man movie. It's hard to see the murder drones as a good guy tool rather than a supervillain tool, and also they aren't spider-themed.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#118167: Jun 9th 2020 at 11:53:08 AM

Given how Peter simultaneously had his identity revealed and all of Mysterio's crimes pinned on him, presumably taking out his army of drones will go to the tippy-top of the world governments' priorities.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#118168: Jun 9th 2020 at 11:58:31 AM

Eh, I wager it's gonna go like in "Spectacular Spider-Man", where Peter was also outed, but after a bit of media sensation he was left alone due to there being no concrete proof.

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#118169: Jun 9th 2020 at 12:03:27 PM

Honestly, given the little bit we've gotten of JJJ and the Bugle so far... I know they wouldn't, but I think it'd be really funny if the next Spidey movie opens with Peter talking to Happy, freaking out about the whole thing and weighing the options of what to do next... and then Happy just goes "Peter, it's the Bugle. Nobody believed it, everybody stopped paying attention."

Like I said, I know they won't and I can think of several other story directions I'd prefer, but I still think it'd be funny if the solution to the big cliffhanger ends up being "it's actually not that big a deal, Peter has (presumably) SHIELD and Stark Enterprises behind him, and nobody really trusts the Bugle as a reputable news source, maybe it inspires some especially weird villains to come crawling out of the woodwork, but it isn't a big crisis".

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#118170: Jun 9th 2020 at 12:07:59 PM

So who is going to say "What the F—" at the end of the next Spider-Man film?

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#118171: Jun 9th 2020 at 12:44:18 PM

I really want it to be Happy.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#118172: Jun 9th 2020 at 12:47:36 PM

[up]That's a 2020 statement if there ever was one.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#118173: Jun 9th 2020 at 1:04:46 PM

Maybe it'll be J.J.J. himself.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#118174: Jun 9th 2020 at 1:05:11 PM

I still want the 3rd Spiderman film to begin with a montage of various people helping Peter...

First it's Pepper/Maria and a small army of lawyers... ...Aunt May with a bat might be among them. Then we get Old Steve giving JJJ "I'm not mad just disappointed" speech... A Princess of Wakanda is now showing JJJ how that footage was doctored with a very...long...presentation...

It just gets crazier from there.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#118175: Jun 9th 2020 at 1:06:45 PM

[up][up][up]Nah, that's a 2019 statement. The 2020 statement is [Arrested Development Narrator]: "It wasn't."

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Jun 9th 2020 at 3:07:33 AM


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