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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
In his own movies, he's fighting human beings. In Infinity War and Endgame, he's fighting aliens.
what I love about infinity war is that it feel like the thor movie we never see: the first thor movie feel to comic to care, the second is more like with thor add to it and thor 3 is a comedy, and while good I feel it waste the potencial of him.
and infinity war deliver: seen him try to snark only to stop and somber realize how much he lost(and that rocket didnt try a joke) was sooooo good because it was a serious scene without any humor trying to bring it down, and finallly we see thor as sci fantasy hero he is: holding a ring in space while tanking SOLAR FLARE, to make A SUPER AXE to that down the villian is top metal fantasy viking, which thor should be.
I love thor in that movie, it really feel his for a while.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"With Spiderman and killing people:
Spiderman is a street level hero, so most of his enemies under normal circumstances are crooks and thugs committing petty crimes. His job isn't to dispense justice himself, it's to stop the crime in progress and restrain the crooks for the legal system to handle. In the specific scene of Homecoming where he freaks out about 'instant kill', Spiderman has the drop on the bad guys and it would have been horribly unethical to kill them (premeditated murder, basically).
By contrast, in Endgame he's up against an invading army and the context is more akin to a battlefield than a crime in progress. It's no longer law enforcement, it's war. Also, the enemy has him surrounded and is actively trying to kill him when he activates instant-kill.
On a sidenote, were the thing Spiderman was fighting sapient beings? They looked pretty animalistic and were shown to be completely suicidal in Infinite War, so I assumed they were non-sapient bio-engineered weapons.
Leviticus 19:34That's only a distinction if the writer decides it is. And while I'm mostly talking out-of-universe, I do hope that wasn't intended to be the in-universe explanation. It has implications I don't like for Peter.
I generally get the impression that the Russos only really wanted Gamora and Nebula out of the Guardians cast, kind of thought it would be neat to use Rocket as a foil for Thor, and didn't give much of a crap about the rest of the team.
Once the plot didn't have any more use for them, the plot dropped them hard. Their past versions barely factor in the time plot, and they get basically nothing after being un-snapped. Even Rocket.
Judging by their use in Endgame and the deleted scenes of Infinity War, it almost comes off as them seeing little worth in the characters beyond as jokes. The cool stuff we did get from them in Infinity War is about as good as we were ever going to get unless James Gunn had gotten more involved.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 7th 2020 at 11:18:18 AM
Both superhero writers and fans believe very strongly in What Measure Is a Non-Human?. Peter's dispensing of the aliens in Endgame isn't that surprising to me when that is taken into account.
It depends on the writer. You're seeing that used less commonly as an explicit explanation for characters' actions nowadays: I feel like that sort of thing was a lot more common decades ago than it is now.
Also, I'd forgotten about the aliens in Endgame. I was thinking of him going "hey, lets dump that fucker into space" with Ebony Maw in Infinity War.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 7th 2020 at 11:24:34 AM
It doesn't fully undo the situation but Peter isn't actively trying to kill the aliens. He does activate instant kill mode and then curls into a ball, possibly weeping, as the aliens dogpile him and get killed by his murder suit.
He definitely comes up with the plan that kills Ebony Maw though.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIt isn't used as an explicit explanation because writers know they will get little to no pushback for having heroes, even ones with explicit rules against killing, kill non-humans.
Infinity War had Spider-Man come up with a plan to kill Ebony Maw and help execute said plan. If Maw were Dr Octopus or Norman Osborn a lot more people would have had something to say about it. Look at the way the Avengers kill the Chitauri or the Ultron drones. In the latter case you can actually see the Hulk taking a bite out of one of them.
It's a bit different with the Avengers as a whole because there's no MCU Avengers content with any of the others where they are depicted as uncomfortable with causing death even if in a justified situation, like there is with MCU Spider-Man.
Iron Man was introduced killing humans at will because he felt it was his mission to do so. If anything, he was toned down later. Likewise, Cap and his intro as a soldier, and so on with the rest of them. The only other hero in Infinity War shown in their own movies to be not comfortable with killing is Dr. Strange - who, come to think of it, doesn't kill anyone onscreen in either movie.
The difference here seems mostly to be that the Russos - in order to more easily facilitate the plot they needed - wrote and directed Peter to be more in line with the other characters' temperament, without worrying much about how he was portrayed in his own movie.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 7th 2020 at 11:39:36 AM
My take on Peter not hesitating to kill Maw and activating Instant Kill was that it was some kind of Godzilla Threshold for him. There is a big difference between fighting bike thieves and suddenly finding oneself on an alien spaceship that thrashed half of New York and is threatening to kill half the universe.
As for Doctor Strange, it seems the Russos remembered that he took his Hippocratic Oath quite seriously. I think it's a nice touch.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.The Hippocratic Oath doesn't state a doctor should never hurt anyone ever. It only means that a doctor should never act maliciously towards a patient. It technically doesn't even apply outside of the doctor-patient relationship, so unless Thanos scrapes his knee and asks Dr. Strange for a bandage, Strange is free to lash him with all the magical whips in the world.
RE: Peter doing harm, IIRC he was dogpiled by outriders, which are far more beastly than humanoid in nature (at least in the MCU; I don't know anything about them in the comics). In that sense, I don't think it's even a question of, "Is it as immoral to kill an alien being as a fellow man?" so much as "Oh crap these alien beasts are going to eat me if I don't become the alpha predator this very second."
Yeah given the Outriders do nothing but primally roar while clawing through stuff, I think it's safe to assume they're more like attack animals than sapient life, and I don't think Peter is too worried about fending them off.
Philosophically I'd also argue there's a world of difference between a vigilante using lethal force on a criminal when they have the power to subdue them non-lethally, and a literal war to save the universe where everybody is fighting to the death. In that moment, Peter's a soldier, not a friendly neighborhood superhero.
The Ebony Maw kill from Infinity War is more dubious. Character-wise he probably should have tried to capture Maw in a web trap or something after using the vacuum to throw him off-balance.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Well, the conversation starts by Peter mentioning the movie Alien.
Let's just say, I don't think the Xenomorph survived being ejected into space.
If anything, Maw had a gentler death because he wasn't harpooned and burned alive by the jet exhaust.
Maw had also been able to dodge effortlessly whatever Tony, Strange and Peter had been throwing at him. It may also have been one of those cases of "that guy seems to shrug off everything, let's try something lethal to see if it at least fazes him".
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.MVP - Most Violent Piercing: Corvus Glaive, for stabbing Vision like a dozen times.
Poor Vision, man. He spends all of Infinity War either near death or wanting to die, and nobody will let him be.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 7th 2020 at 4:56:55 AM

No, they’re right. In a Geoff Johns penned Avengers issue, Hank and Jen did some pretty freaky and bordering on NC-17 rated stuff.
I loved it. But I’m not a prude. There were a lot of reader complaints.
Edit: Bocaj beat me to it.
Edited by ChumlyX1995 on Jun 7th 2020 at 5:48:57 AM