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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#117951: Jun 3rd 2020 at 5:25:29 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Boyega say he was reluctant to work with Disney again after the whole Star Wars debacle? Or was that Oscar Isaac (or both of them)?

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#117952: Jun 3rd 2020 at 5:26:51 PM

It was Oscar Isaac who said he probably wouldn't return. Boyega's more akin to: "I'll do it again if they hire me but I'm sure not going to mince words now that my checks have cleared."

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#117953: Jun 3rd 2020 at 6:02:18 PM

They both seemed to imply they were done, which is why I kept making jokes about them ending up in unfortunate space car accidents.

Boyega flat out said he doesn’t care if this kills his career. That’s conviction.

ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#117954: Jun 3rd 2020 at 6:55:53 PM

The whole point of Blue Marvel is that he’s old. That’s not Boyega.

Edited by ChumlyX1995 on Jun 3rd 2020 at 6:56:57 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#117955: Jun 3rd 2020 at 7:22:01 PM

I think there's more to Blue Marvel than "He's old", but whatever.

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#117956: Jun 3rd 2020 at 7:24:48 PM

Fairly sure he has slowed aging as a thing anyway. He looks middle aged but has looked middle aged for a long while.

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ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#117957: Jun 3rd 2020 at 7:30:35 PM

That’s what I mean. He’s middle age looking with college age kids.

Boyega could theoretically play one of the kids but not Blue Marvel himself.

Edited by ChumlyX1995 on Jun 3rd 2020 at 7:30:42 AM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#117958: Jun 4th 2020 at 7:24:26 AM

Maybe he could play the new Blue Marvel. Maybe Blue Marvel dies and Max picks up the mantle. Start the movie as a villain, partly because of his brother's disappearance, partly because of his disappointment in his father being reluctant to be a hero.

Adam then does the heroic sacrifice and the movie ends with Max picking up the mantle.

That, or he could play Nighthawk.

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#117959: Jun 4th 2020 at 7:25:54 AM

John Boyega for Blade

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ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#117960: Jun 4th 2020 at 7:27:00 AM

Personality, I’d rather he play a role in Black Panther, so I can see his chemistry with Lupita and Letitia.

But that’s just me.

Edited by ChumlyX1995 on Jun 4th 2020 at 7:27:19 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#117961: Jun 4th 2020 at 7:50:09 AM

I think he'd be more suited to portray a slightly older than usual version of Patriot.

(Even though I hate the Young Avengers)

Edited by Forenperser on Jun 4th 2020 at 4:51:13 PM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#117962: Jun 4th 2020 at 8:39:20 AM

Boyega was my fan cast for Blade, because he has a convincing American accent and I could see him alternating between American and British accents and "code switching" at various points in Blade's life. For the same reason, he's my pick for Charlie/Spider in an adaptation of American Gods.

Unfortunately, there's a real dearth of MCU heroes, especially among "A List", "B List", and even "C List" characters. As a note, although Night Thrasher and Rage do fit in well with current events, there's something about their general framing that feels condescending/not sympathetic.

I agree that Patriot would be a good choice (maybe a combination of the two).

I have wanted to see "Kasper" Cole adapted, because he's weirdly like a Good Counterpart of the MCU Killmonger (specifically, I like the contrast between no one believing Killmonger about Wakanda growing up and Cole not believing his father about Wakanda growing up). Boyega doesn't really have the right look for Cole, but that's never really been of much import to me.

Not sure whether a black police officer dealing with corrupt cops would be a great or terrible choice though.

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#117963: Jun 4th 2020 at 8:40:12 AM

[up][up][up][up]So... just invent an entirely new character that has minimal connection to the original one and change the stories the original one was in, if they're ever adapted?

Blue Marvel has slowed aging but still has grey temples. In the comics he and Anti-Man were Korean war vets (presumably born in the 1930's) who were involved in government super-science and had a lab accident. He was active pre/during Civil Rights era until the US gov't... did what the US gov't does to black civil rights heroes.

While they could move up whatever conflict he was a veteran of (since the US is in near-constant war anyway), and we have a handy dandy 60-year stretch where he and Anti-Man could've been working on Project Pegasus with the Tesseract (which is even blue!), the Civil Rights era is an effective time-lock for where part of his story would need to be to explain why he's been inactive, and that he had to have gotten powers before then. Plus he kind of needs to be an older adult to have some of that weight behind his life experience.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#117964: Jun 4th 2020 at 8:50:25 AM

Something I meant to note RE Blade is that another reason I liked Boyega (although I think Mahershala Ali is a great choice) is that I think it is a good way of highlighting slowed aging to have the character played by a younger actor.

And the same would be my thought for Blue Marvel and also for Magneto. And I'd include his Holocaust survivor backstory.

In particular (I had been thinking this for Magneto but it would definitely also work with Blue Marvel), it makes for a nice implied or explicit contrast with Captain America to have other characters that are an "old man in a young man's body", but are rather more cynical because they are from a minority group and actually lived through the parts of the 20th century that Steve missed.

Edited by Hodor2 on Jun 4th 2020 at 10:51:07 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#117965: Jun 4th 2020 at 12:17:12 PM

John Boyega for Blade

Provided he and Disney bury the hatchet, of course.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#117966: Jun 4th 2020 at 12:54:07 PM

What did Disney do to him? I'm legitimately curious?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#117968: Jun 4th 2020 at 1:11:46 PM

....ouch.

So it's literally because Rise of Skywalker is considered that bad huh?

Honestly, the movie managed to not disappoint me because I set my standards so completely low, so I guess it's hard to fully grasp how much people hate it.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#117969: Jun 4th 2020 at 1:13:29 PM

He was not exactly satisfied with how the ST used his character.

He’s not even the only actor who feels that way.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#117970: Jun 4th 2020 at 1:13:50 PM

Boyega wasn't happy with some of the developments of the Sequel Trilogy, in particular how Finn was heavily underutilized in Rise of Skywalker despite being one of the leads.

As far I know, there hasn't been issues with pay disputes or on-set confrontations (although correct me if I'm wrong). Just general disappointment and exhaustion from working on a big-budget franchise.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Jun 4th 2020 at 4:15:07 AM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#117971: Jun 4th 2020 at 1:33:01 PM

Short version: There seemed to be a long term story plan. Disney wanted to go the Marvel route of switching directors for each movie. After the second movie (which had legitimate script issues), things seemed disjointed. A vocal, toxic group of fans revolted, being especially toxic to certain female characters and stories, in addition to the legitimate script issues. Disney overcorrected by going back to the first director, and stuffing the film full of fanservice to one of the three main storylines in the saga, at the expense of the other 2. There were several plot holes, certain characters shafted, and while they got to the ending eventually, it was exceptionally rock to jump there, and no one was happy (not the fanboys who were catered to, or the actors who got switched up on, or the directors)

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#117972: Jun 4th 2020 at 1:37:51 PM

[up]That’s not exactly what happened by a long shot. Boyega was complaining as early as TLJ and how it turned his character into little more besides comic relief. It was just when ROS came out and showed no interest in doing anything with his character in favor of nostalgia pandering and the Reylo romance that Boyega turned his filter off. He’s made it no secret he’s not fond of Disney.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jun 4th 2020 at 4:38:15 AM

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#117973: Jun 4th 2020 at 1:39:48 PM

[up]He also not found of the fandom menance, specially since how balistic when out with him.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#117974: Jun 4th 2020 at 1:42:32 PM

Sounds like he's completely justified in every thing.

Especially his anger at some of the fans.

Carry on Boyega. Carry on.

It sounds like Disney has created another Alec Guiness situation to be honest.

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MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#117975: Jun 4th 2020 at 1:44:31 PM

For those saying he's too young for a role: ageing makeup is a thing. So is aging cgi, though that can be hit-or-miss. My point is there are ways to get around a good actor not looking the right age for the character he's playing.


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