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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#117926: Jun 1st 2020 at 10:24:48 PM

Heck, racism could even work in their favor. The world just found out about Wakanda having super-advanced technology that makes everyone else on Earth look like primitive savages. In the wake of that revelation, I can definitely see certain elements being ecstatic at having another super-advanced civilization on Earth, one that isn't predominately black.

Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#117927: Jun 1st 2020 at 10:29:05 PM

They should. They're not all-powerful, especially not when they're a tiny remnant begging for refuge on another race's planet. They should care if public sentiment blames them for Earth's problems, in case some humans decide to act on their paranoia and eliminate the perceived threat.

And, y'know, caring about what other people think of you even when they're physically weaker than you is the lesson Thor was meant to learn in the first movie. Not caring what humans think because they're lesser is the mindset behind Asgard's imperialist and colonialist era and why all Asgardians could be considered complicit in Odin's crimes. It's not an attitude they should hold on to, particularly if we're supposed to think that they've collectively paid for their bloody past.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#117928: Jun 1st 2020 at 10:33:45 PM

Yeah but humans are just ..... human.

They are generally worth less than the crap that comes out of a dog.

Other species though, they are worth consideration, even the Kree. But humans, eh they can go fuck themselves. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 1st 2020 at 10:33:54 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#117929: Jun 1st 2020 at 10:59:06 PM

While the Asgardians just showing up in Norway asking for refuge would be of global interest, I fail to see how it would be a legal issue for any outside of Norway's governing body. Assuming they entered the country from one of their borders, albeit one not often seen as one, it falls on Norway to make that judgement. As far as I know, we dont have global laws governing how we treat extraterrestrial immigration or refugees, and the Organization most likely to have handled that got HYDRA'd .

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jun 1st 2020 at 2:02:01 PM

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#117930: Jun 1st 2020 at 11:18:23 PM

It's true the current generation of Asgardians might be in no mood for any conflict and just want to live a quiet life, but what about their descendants? They won't have had humility pounded into them, and might feel less gratitude to humanity for taking them in. I'm not talking about them trying to conquer the Earth or anything, but I seem to remember there was some conflict in the original New Asgard storyline, so it would be odd if none of that came through in the MCU.

On the topic of descendants, now I'm wondering if humans and Asgardians could have children. Ego was able to have a kid with humans, so it's not entirely out of the question, but then he could alter his humanoid form on the genetic level. I can't remember, have there been any other Half-Human Hybrids in the MCU? Would be interesting in any event, to see someone split between two very different cultures, with superpowers for a human yet a weakling for an Asgardian.

Edited by FGHIK on Jun 1st 2020 at 1:21:52 PM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#117931: Jun 1st 2020 at 11:51:02 PM

Loki has at least several offsprings on Earth in the comics.

MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#117932: Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:09:56 AM

How future generations of Asgardians behave on Earth would likely be dependent on a) how much the surviving Asgardians retain their "proud warrior race" thing, and b) the relationships sovereign powers on Earth foster with the Asgardians. If the Asgardians have predominantly accepted their new lives as common folk, the new Asgardian leadership does not stir any jingoistic sentiments, and Earth's governments don't antagonize the Asgardians, then I'd wager most of the later-born Asgardians would get along fairly well with humanity.

Edited by MileRun on Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:32:23 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#117933: Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:14:16 AM

It cannot be understated just how much of their power they have lost. They had pretty much nothing but the clothes on their backs when they fled Asgard.

From what we've seen of them, the surviving Asgardians seem less bitter about what they've lost and are just grateful to still be alive. It helps that they have access to pizza, beer, and Fortnite.

Edited by M84 on Jun 2nd 2020 at 4:15:57 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#117934: Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:27:20 AM

I imagine it also helps that I think most of the ones that survived were like that one Asgardian from Agents of SHIELD, and not ones closer to the royal family.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#117935: Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:29:08 AM

Pretty much all of the high-ranking Asgardians and military were wiped out by Hela except for Heimdall. The ones who escaped Asgard were mostly civilians.

Edited by M84 on Jun 2nd 2020 at 4:29:42 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#117936: Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:50:50 AM

The Aesir are fucking extinct.

Thor is the SOLE SURVIVOR of the entire Norse Pantheon.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 2nd 2020 at 2:29:39 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#117937: Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:58:19 AM

Who can even blame Thor for getting depressed after Infinity War? Dude went through a lot of shit.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#117938: Jun 2nd 2020 at 4:58:59 AM

Yeah with that is no unfortune implication.

Valkire on the other hand......yeaaaah.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#117939: Jun 2nd 2020 at 6:08:58 AM

Sif is still alive. Loki (disguised as Odin) sent her away to other realms as a busy mission.

According to the creators she got snapped for 5 years but is back now. So if Taika or the actress were interested, they could bring back Sif.

Also, other realms like Vanaheim and Alfheim still exist. We don’t know if some Asgardians were visiting there or retreated there during Hel’s massacre.

According to Rocket and Hulk’s conversation on the way to see Thor, the surviving Asgardians are just grateful to have a home at this point.

Edited by ChumlyX1995 on Jun 2nd 2020 at 6:11:10 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#117940: Jun 2nd 2020 at 7:22:22 AM

Well and maybe 2012 Loki will eventually end up in the main timeline after his Disney+ Series.

Though this version is still a villain.

Edited by Forenperser on Jun 2nd 2020 at 4:22:33 PM

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#117941: Jun 2nd 2020 at 7:29:13 AM

So it looks like there are six months left until Marvel gets the rights back of their Netflix characters[1]. I do hope that they do give the Netflix characters another chance on Disney plus someday.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#117942: Jun 2nd 2020 at 8:18:08 AM

I do think they could address the precise political situation New Asgard exists within in Thor 4, even if it's only in passing.

My guess is that on paper they are a self-governing region of Norway that consists entirely of the one village and the area immediately surrounding it.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#117943: Jun 2nd 2020 at 6:07:06 PM

Loki has at least several offsprings on Earth in the comics.

Like the the Hulk villain Vali Halfling.

Edited by Cortez on Jun 2nd 2020 at 9:08:10 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#117944: Jun 2nd 2020 at 6:09:21 PM

There's also that Spider-Man story where he and Loki team up because one of Loki's descendants was in mystical trouble.

Spider-Man was surprised he had descendants, and Loki said something to the tune of "I'm a Norse god. It's what we do."

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 2nd 2020 at 6:10:12 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#117946: Jun 2nd 2020 at 7:36:58 PM

It's so Loki for him to hit on someone, then when that person says "are you serious" reply "well, I could be."

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#117947: Jun 3rd 2020 at 4:37:37 PM

Loki as a Covert Pervert, is something I would like to see in 2012 Loki.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jun 3rd 2020 at 4:38:04 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#117948: Jun 3rd 2020 at 5:19:25 PM

John Boyega as Blue Marvel.

That's it, that's the post.

My various fanfics.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#117949: Jun 3rd 2020 at 5:21:11 PM

Might be too young for the role, since Blue Marvel's a super who lived through the Civil Rights movement of the 60s, but Boyega's certainly showing himself to be a real life leader today. grin

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 3rd 2020 at 5:22:22 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#117950: Jun 3rd 2020 at 5:23:04 PM

Oh yeah he made a big speech recently about the....... recent stuff.

Man he should get a role.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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