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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#117801: May 31st 2020 at 1:26:47 PM

They had the Hiroshima-esque burnt shadow corpses of the explosion victims, which I'd rank up as one of the darkest moments in an MCU film yet.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#117802: May 31st 2020 at 1:30:01 PM

Huh so there is a tone problem.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#117803: May 31st 2020 at 1:32:59 PM

And in the next scene (well not THE next, but you get the point) there is the drunken actor who can't stay focused while being interrogated because there is a soccer game in the background.

And other things. It was just too inconsistent. They should gone for whacky or serious, but not a mixture, not with themes like that.

Edited by Forenperser on May 31st 2020 at 10:33:28 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#117804: May 31st 2020 at 1:34:32 PM

I think Tony’s actions in movies after 3 can be read in the light of that ptsd characterization

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#117805: May 31st 2020 at 1:36:52 PM

Things like Ultron yeah there's definitely some elements of that,and of course Civil War

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ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#117806: May 31st 2020 at 1:36:54 PM

Yeah. His PSTD is what Wanda brings to the surface and why he created Ultron.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#117807: May 31st 2020 at 1:39:08 PM

They don’t call it out by name after 3 but it drives a lot of what Tony does

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#117808: May 31st 2020 at 1:50:19 PM

And all because he flew a nuke through a wormhole.

Whoops.

Wanda got inside the wrong person's head.

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#117809: May 31st 2020 at 1:56:58 PM

Tony's character arc in the MCU is mostly driven by the events of The Avengers, Iron Man 3 introduces that direction but is more of a coda to his redemption arc started in the first Iron Man (it's hard to feel guilty for arms dealing when you successfully turn that technology into fending off an alien invasion).

The tonal issues of the MCU is what always holds me back from unilateral praise. Ragnarok shows the massacre of the Asgardian army and several recurring characters, and cuts it together like it was a music video. That makes it "fun" to watch, but I kind of want to feel the impact of the loss of life.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#117810: May 31st 2020 at 2:09:26 PM

These tonal shifts may be why I actually like the MCU movies. Having funny moments in a dark story (or serious moments in an overall funny story) is a good way to balance things and avoid for instance ending up with a bleak and hopeless story.

Although Ragnarok's did kill a lot of people too quickly. I'm still bummed out about Thor's friends.

Edited by C105 on May 31st 2020 at 11:10:20 AM

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ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#117811: May 31st 2020 at 2:31:40 PM

Killing off the Warriors Three quickly in Ragnarok wasn’t the problem.

The problem is Thor never once acknowledged them. Hell, no one did.

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#117812: May 31st 2020 at 2:39:13 PM

The Literally-Who-rriors Three? Never heard of 'em. tongue

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#117813: May 31st 2020 at 2:39:27 PM

> Ragnarok shows the massacre of the Asgardian army and several recurring characters, and cuts it together like it was a music video. That makes it "fun" to watch, but I kind of want to feel the impact of the loss of life.

I think to fully explore the impact of Helena's invasion across the nine realms you'd need at least a Lord of the rings styled trilogy,or a TV show following a plucky band of survivors..

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#117814: May 31st 2020 at 3:14:00 PM

Ragnarok is probably the most disonant in tone, is one part buddy cop movie between thor, valkire and hulk while also being a movie about colonialism.

Is also funny thing is the marvel movie with the biggest changes outside of a avenger movie.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#117815: May 31st 2020 at 3:21:54 PM

The Literally-Who-rriors Three? Never heard of 'em.

Maybe I'm taking it too seriously, but that attitude is not helpful. That's what gives birth to some of the more annoying memes that screw over characters because fans just spout said memes at any attempt to actually do anything with the character, which results in creators just getting rid of them instead of fixing them.

...Sorry. I know you were just having fun. I think I just have a love hate relationship with memes these days.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#117816: May 31st 2020 at 3:24:45 PM

I can't even name the Warrios three off the top of my head,I think they fought a robot at some point but I can't be sure

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#117817: May 31st 2020 at 3:26:49 PM

I always remember Volstagg, but that's because I have this reputation of being a big eater myself.

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#117818: May 31st 2020 at 3:27:14 PM

They had literally one character trait each. Hungry, Vain, Grim, and Girl. tongue

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#117819: May 31st 2020 at 3:39:13 PM

At least Hogun got a decent final stand.

I'm still hoping Sif will return at some point in the future. The last we saw of her was in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., so who knows where she's been since then.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#117820: May 31st 2020 at 3:41:54 PM

This is baby galaxy brain but Thor 2 should have reversed Thor 1 a little by dropping Jane into Asgard and have her be the fish out of water.

Which does happen a little but the way plot happens doesn't really let them lean into it.

I'd suggest having Jane make her Einstein Rosen bridge and accidentally strand herself somewhere in the 8 realms

Edited by Bocaj on May 31st 2020 at 6:43:19 AM

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#117821: May 31st 2020 at 3:47:46 PM

[up][up][up]Volstagg, Fandral, and Hogun, respectively, are the guys. Lady Sif was the girl, and the only one of the four who had any importance to the MCU beyond the first half of the first Thor film.

This was brought up when discussing Stuffed into the Fridge and Sacrificial Lamb and Sacrificial Lion: they can't be an important character death if they never mattered in the first place. In The Dark World, one of the guys was recast, and I think the other two were written out? Sif, at least, was portrayed as being a more compatible and interesting love interest for Thor, who clearly cared about him both as a friend and in possible romantic love.

The guys all died in Ragnarok, but they were never important, and were just being written off. Sif only didn't appear in Ragnarok (and thus the subsequent Avengers films) because she had a scheduling conflict for filming, but she was wanted in some capacity, at least. She also appeared in at least one episode of Agents of Shield set shortly after The Dark World.

By the time of Infinity War, Thor has long since begun to consider Heimdall his best friend.

Though now that I'm rewatching a(n edited for copyright) video of their death scenes, Hogun at the very least actually mattered, at least in that he got to be the character to get The Worf Effect, contrast Hela's stated position as leader of Asgard's troops as their actual leader against her, and be Defiant to the End.

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@Ultimatum: Thor fought the Destroyer "robot" armor. Sif and the Warriors 3 got wrecked by it until Thor got his powers back. But Sif was also the one who convinced the other three to even go to try to rescue Thor.

Oh, now that I'm reading Fandral's MCU wiki page, I guess he did more than I thought. Man, if that movie was so unmemorable I forgot literally everything that happened on Asgard aside from Frigga dying and the Cap cameo, maybe that was the worst of the MCU films. At least I remember most of what happened in Hulk, Avengers 1, Avengers 2, and Iron Man 3.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on May 31st 2020 at 5:58:07 AM

ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#117822: May 31st 2020 at 3:51:17 PM

Sif appeared had two Agents of SHIELD appearances. One in season 1. And another in season 2.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#117823: May 31st 2020 at 4:12:17 PM

Wonder if they'd even want to explore her feelings about the events of the last few movies.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#117824: May 31st 2020 at 4:34:12 PM

I this point hemidall is thor best friend by acount of being the only other asgardian who matter.

I wonder what happen to lorelai: aka female killgrave.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#117825: May 31st 2020 at 5:00:46 PM

I'm guessing Lorelei was left behind in her cell when Asgard was destroyed.


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