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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#117551: May 14th 2020 at 5:30:04 AM

I've heard the news and people reacting to it,most of is "Don't believe him"

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#117552: May 14th 2020 at 5:54:21 AM

Was Liefeld just the artist for Deadpool or was he also a writer?

The legend has returned.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#117553: May 14th 2020 at 5:59:31 AM

Co creator from what I've gathered

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#117554: May 14th 2020 at 6:15:47 AM

[up]He was also a consultant for the first two Deadpool movies from Fox. Which explains the joke in 2 about his infamous issues with drawing feet.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#117555: May 14th 2020 at 6:54:28 AM

Liefeld was the "creator" of Deadpool. He came up with the idea of a clear rip-off of DC's Deathstroke (Deadpool/Deathstroke, Wade/Slade Wilson) and tried to sell it off as a cool and edgy character. Fabian Nicieza and later Joe Kelly were the guys to really receive credit for creating Deadpool, because they were the ones to look at this chaotic mess of a character and decided to make him a mockery of everything Liefeld wanted him to represent.

So in summary: Nicieza and Kelly created Deadpool. Liefeld helped.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#117557: May 14th 2020 at 11:01:14 AM

[up][up] Or if we want to get more technical, Liefeld came up with the initial idea of Deadpool, but Kelly and Nicieza were the ones who made Deadpool as we all know him as.

It's just another example of what I want to call "The Bill Finger Scenario". Yes, for the longest time, Bob Kane was credited as the sole creator of Batman (at least until 2016), but he only came up with the name of Batman. Bill Finger was the one who came up with everything else regarding Batman.

Basically, Liefeld is just blowing nothing more than a load of hot air. Deadpool 3 will be fine without his involvement (as miniscule as it was).

EDIT: Needed to do a massive change.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 15th 2020 at 5:21:34 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#117558: May 16th 2020 at 4:39:10 AM

Bump.

The Internet: Hey, it's like super cool how Mahershala Ali is going to be the MCU's Blade, but with all of Hollywood being put on pause, it kinda makes the wait to see him in something be more agonizing...

Mahershala: S'up, everyone?

Mahershala posted an art of himself as Blade on his Instagram. Might we be hearing something new eventually?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#117559: May 16th 2020 at 4:44:21 AM

I keep forgetting Blade is a Marvel character

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#117560: May 16th 2020 at 6:19:37 AM

I like that both Blades look like the comic book version.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#117561: May 16th 2020 at 6:23:05 AM

I wonder if there'll be a bit where they CGI opening eyes over Ali's own eyes after he accidentally falls asleep for real.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on May 16th 2020 at 6:23:21 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#117562: May 16th 2020 at 7:07:39 AM

Comic Blade actually looks like movie Blade

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#117563: May 16th 2020 at 9:10:58 AM

Calling it, Blade makes an early-bird cameo in Moon Knight.

...Or Moon Knight makes an early-bird cameo in Blade?

I don't know. tongue

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#117564: May 17th 2020 at 11:24:54 PM

Some leaks have alleged that Shang Chi will have the ability to make duplicates of himself in the movie.

Insert your own Naruto jokes here.

Edited by windleopard on May 19th 2020 at 12:30:18 PM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#117565: May 17th 2020 at 11:30:38 PM

I guess that would be accurate to (recent) comics. Which could conceivably have been written in order to give him something more to stand out with.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on May 17th 2020 at 1:31:07 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#117566: May 18th 2020 at 4:00:06 AM

Internet: Man, I can't wait for Chloe Bennet's Quake to transfer over to the MCU and Disney+!

Chloe Bennet: That ain't it, chief.

It's looking even more likely that the TV shows save for Agent Carter are set in some parallel version of the MCU. I mean, it was looking that way ever since Mahershala Ali got cast as Blade, but this is probably another nail in the coffin.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#117567: May 18th 2020 at 4:12:14 AM

I mean, it was looking that way ever since Mahershala Ali got cast as Blade

I just handwaved this as Cottonmouth being an Identical Grandson to Blade.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#117568: May 18th 2020 at 4:32:23 AM

Didn't Alfre Woodard also play that woman who lost her child in Civil War?

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#117569: May 18th 2020 at 4:41:30 AM

[up][up][up] Back when I was still riled up over Skye's Mary Sue-ish status, I liked to joke that the real reason they did not transfer Quake to the MCU was that she would have made the fight against Thanos ridiculously easy for the Avengers to win.

But yeah, seems most TV shows will slowly slide out of canon. Which is a shame, given the pains they had gone to to keep AoS close to movie continuity in the first seasons.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#117570: May 18th 2020 at 5:39:26 AM

[up][up] Oh, yeah. I keep forgetting about that. Probably because of how much that scene particular stings IMO.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#117571: May 18th 2020 at 7:10:53 AM

I mean, season 5 did try to tie-into Avengers: Infinity War, explicitly mentioning Thanos and showing the last few episodes were occurring the same time as the events of the film.

Then season 6 came it didn't follow up on that. It clearly states it takes place a year after the last season, so it should've taken place post-Snap. But everything's fine. No mention of half of all life in the universe dying, not a single character is mentioned to have been snapped away, nothing. It's weird, and it feels like the writers weren't told what was going to happen during Endgame. Either that, or they were only vaguely told "they're going to fix it using time travel" and severely misinterpreted that to mean the Reset Button was going to be pressed.

My only guess is that the time travel shenanigans during the show ended up stranding them in an alternate time-line, and that's why things are so different? Either way, it's a bit of a shame most of the show has been written off.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#117572: May 18th 2020 at 7:46:26 AM

Agents of Shield would have been a great place to explore the effects of the Snap but by that point the show was doing its own stuff which is honestly better for the show

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#117573: May 18th 2020 at 8:45:14 AM

Apparently Blade's full name is Eric Stokes Brooks, so presumably, he is related to Cottonmouth in some manner.

I say apparently because although Wikipedia lists "Stokes" as Blade's middle name and I saw someone bring that up on Reddit, I'm not versed in the character enough to know whether Blade's middle name has always been Stokes, or if this is the result of someone "rogue editing" to justify Ali being cast as both characters.

I kind of suspect the latter because I see a lot more sites identify Blad as being named "Eric Brooks" than I do see ones using the "Eric Stokes Brooks" name.

On the other hand though, it would be clever if his middle name was "Stokes", as that would be a nice Shout-Out to Bram Stoker.

Can someone confirm either way?

Edited by Hodor2 on May 18th 2020 at 10:50:51 AM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#117574: May 18th 2020 at 9:02:49 AM

Technically speaking comics Blade is actually British (by birth at least) though he's spent so much longer in the USA by now he's American culturally and in terms of accent and so on.

Which does not mean he can't be related to Cottonmouth but suggests that if he is, it's pretty distant. And of course all previous film Blades were truly American so they may well just go with that again.

Edited by jakobitis on May 18th 2020 at 5:04:36 PM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#117575: May 18th 2020 at 9:16:19 AM

I'm vaguely imagining Blade being on an episode of PBS' Finding Your Roots.


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