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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#117426: May 4th 2020 at 11:22:55 AM

Or just have someone else happen to get the same powers as Absorbing Man, and people therefore give him the same codename. That happens all the time with supervillains.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#117427: May 4th 2020 at 11:24:31 AM

Wait till you

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#117428: May 4th 2020 at 11:25:07 AM

[up][up] I mean, why bother going through all that trouble when the character is right there? The MCU is an adaptation, after all.

The only times I can think of that the MCU films (or Marvel Studios tv) have outright created major villains is either to make a composite (with Vanko and Ghost), for a character whose Rogues Gallery isn't really a major part of their existence (with Punisher), or to give a face to a group (with Daredevil).

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 4th 2020 at 11:30:57 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#117429: May 4th 2020 at 11:40:27 AM

So that they don't have to get the same actor back?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#117430: May 4th 2020 at 12:59:41 PM

They probably wouldn't get the same actor back regardless.

That just came up a few days ago with Daredevil. Charlie Cox made it pretty clear that if the MCU brings in Daredevil in a movie or a future project, it's not likely to be him.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#117431: May 4th 2020 at 1:19:24 PM

It kinda almost makes me wish they'd never done the Netflix shows.

Sure they were great, but now bullshit rights issues are taking them away and soon they'll be retconned out.

I guess that's a bad way to look at it though. We still had some good times with them.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#117432: May 4th 2020 at 1:21:00 PM

Well on the bright side not reusing actors will make it easier redo Iron Fist to be more likable & better implementing his relationship with Luke from the start.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#117433: May 4th 2020 at 1:22:06 PM

wild mass guessFuture Al Ewing's "The Ultimates" movie where the team launches a mission to save lost characters from stranded universes, including the Netflix ones.wild mass guess

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#117434: May 4th 2020 at 1:24:18 PM

Seems like a good time to bring up something I had in mind last time there was a discussion of whether/what Marvel television series count as canonical for the movies (there lie dangerous waters...)

So, part of why I want to think of the Netflix shows as non-canonical is because I'm not a fan of the "gritty" tone, especially when that forecloses characters appearing differently in the MCU.

Specifically, I'd have liked to see a Hellcat (presumably in She-Hulk) that was along the lines of the one in Kate Leth's series. But that really wouldn't work with where Trish ended up Jessica Jones. Also, I would like to see Luke Cage in the MCU, including with the same actor, but my understanding is that his show ended with him pulling a Face–Heel Turn.

And don't get me started on Iron Fist...

For what it's worth, this also applies within the MCU itself (although less so now that there's more comfort casting an actor in multiple roles). Like it's a minor peeve (but one I like bringing up), but I feel bad how Winter Soldier cast a gritty, realistic and villainous version of Batroc, because I would have liked to see the comical, Lupin III-esque Batroc of the comics.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#117435: May 4th 2020 at 1:29:28 PM

[up]Would you have been willing to accept a compromise where the She-Hulk show had Jen appeal to have Trish released?

I don't think the different tones would have been an issue necessarily as it shows how diverse the MCU can be and that not everyone lives the same life. The movie characters realizing how different things are for the Netflix guys would have made for an interesting story.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#117436: May 4th 2020 at 1:35:59 PM

I had the fun idea of seeing Trish / Patsy / Hellcat in the Wandavision show.

Patsy Walker's weird in the comics, as she was from a chintzy Archie / Blondie style slice of life comic, and then was super redesigned to be a gritty superheroine.

That's hilarious, and I could see a series doing a thing where she's - like - your average teen romance protag parody by day, a super-grim The Cowl parody at night, which is the kind of thing Wandavision is doing.

But... yeah, that would require ignoring all of Jessica Jones, which is probably a step too far.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 4th 2020 at 1:39:48 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#117437: May 4th 2020 at 1:41:41 PM

I fondly remember her showing up in Avengers and talking herself into a ride along and the Avengers finding a random super suit and going “hey do you want this?”

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#117438: May 4th 2020 at 1:45:04 PM

@Windleopard -

Probably not. Because it's more the characterization of Patsy/Trish that's at issue than the fact that the Netflix shows used the character.

That being said, in the comics themselves, at one point Hellcat had a breakdown and committed suicide and then was later resurrected/ escaped from Hell. And the light-hearted comic run acknowledges this. IIRC, the idea is that the sunny Patsy of the comic is The Anti-Nihilist. So, it wouldn't really be that weird if Trish did show up in She-Hulk in a much better mental state.

But I think what separates the MCU and often the comics from the "Netflixverse" is the decision to have a character with a dark backstory be well-adjusted (i.e. Natasha and Bucky). Or compare Jessica Jones to her original, Jessica Drew.

@ Known Unknown - I like that. Which also kind of reminds me that I'd like to see a comparaly more light-hearted and well-adjusted Moon Knight that got into the Batman parody and the Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane aspect of his powers but went a bit (or a lot) lighter on his brutality and psychosis.

Edited by Hodor2 on May 4th 2020 at 3:51:28 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#117439: May 4th 2020 at 1:54:10 PM

Count me in on also preferring peppy comics Hellcat and her super temp agency.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#117440: May 5th 2020 at 8:01:05 AM

Here's a thought: Could Frigga lift Mjolnir?

Also, here's a video.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#117441: May 5th 2020 at 10:58:42 AM

Regarding Batroc, he actually is more serious and gritty in the comics, so long as he's not speaking English.

Back when Bucky was first becoming Captain America they fought a few times and he was treated as what he is, a dangerous world class martial artist who happens to wear a silly costume. Which...is most everybody in comics at one point or another, really.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#117442: May 5th 2020 at 11:03:24 AM

Everyone in comics wears silly costumes,including capes

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#117444: May 5th 2020 at 11:32:12 AM

Batman uses his cape to glide, as a way to make his form harder make out in darkness, etc, etc.

How practical something is or isn't depends on the amount of effort you're willing to put into it.

Hell, the Daleks are structurally stupid from an engineering standpoint (limit visual range via the single eyestalk, which is also their weakness, no ability to climb stair, etc), but they insisted on making that form work so they poured a lot of shit into working around those flaws, and now they slaughter everyone everywhere with impunity.

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jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#117446: May 5th 2020 at 11:49:17 AM

....he must lose a lot of money whenever his cape gets burned.

Beyond that, it makes sense. He can't really use Credit Cards or any of that shit...unless he opens a separate account as Superman, and that's not really a thing he can do.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#117447: May 5th 2020 at 11:53:00 AM

The simplest way to get around most of the problems with capes that Edna points out is simply to make sure they're fastened to you with something that can be pulled off, like magnets or snap-buttons. Though, admittedly, they do have the issue of needing to be able to stay on if you're accelerating quickly.

Capes can serve practical functions, like Batman gliding or Superman using it to shield people from things, which can arguably justify their existence.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#117448: May 5th 2020 at 11:53:25 AM

[up][up][up]Like a banana stand?

[up][up]...also like a banana stand.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on May 5th 2020 at 1:53:53 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#117449: May 5th 2020 at 12:02:41 PM

[up][up]Having the capes be easily detachable also lines up with Mirio's assertion that the purpose of capes is to wrap them around scared small children and makes them feel safe.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 5th 2020 at 12:02:55 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#117450: May 5th 2020 at 12:04:45 PM

The Batgirl of Burnside showed the cape to be attached with buttons so it could come off if it got snagged or grabbed.


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