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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#117226: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:31:58 PM

Well, I'm out, because this is clearly people adapting whatever version of "fridging" they want in order to justify not liking that scene, so there's little point in having the argument.

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#117227: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:32:41 PM

I'm looking forward to Eternals. Hope to see some really cool cosmic-level effects.

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#117228: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:32:54 PM

@Known Oh yeah that is a concern.

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#117229: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:33:08 PM

[up][up][up]Really, dude? Don't be so dismissive.

Edited by fredhot16 on Apr 28th 2020 at 12:33:43 PM

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#117230: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:33:38 PM

[up][up][up][up] Yay, more strawmanning.

Still, in the interest of moving on from big productions made of storming away from people we happen to disagree with, here's some fun info about Infinity War and Avengers.

I didn't know they were considering introducing Nova in Infinity War.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 28th 2020 at 12:34:29 PM

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#117231: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:34:07 PM

Yeah, a whole team of people as strong as Thanos, that should lead to some amazingly cool visuals.

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#117232: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:40:34 PM

According to Marcus, Steve Rogers was not worthy to lift Mjolnir in Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) because he still had the secret of Tony's parents on his conscience. With that resolved by the third act of Endgame, Captain America is worthy to wield its power.

Hah, sounds different from what they said earlier about "Steve just didn't want to hurt Thor's feelings". This explanation makes way more sense to me. grin

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 28th 2020 at 12:41:17 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#117233: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:43:59 PM

That's a good reason. Thor is many things, but a guy whose conscience is ridden by titanic and potentially harmful secrets is not one of them. I don't think Thor's ever kept a secret once in the entire time we've known him - he's about as blunt as a... sigh... hammer.

Though what does that say about Odin, Mr. "our People, and Myself in particular, have a long a brutal history and a mountain of secrets that in one way or another are the causes of nearly all the problems we have now, and which may come back to harm you in horrible ways, but which I won't tell you about because long ranged plans or fear of failure or whatever" himself?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 28th 2020 at 12:47:05 PM

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#117234: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:45:17 PM

I still think that Gamora's death wasn't fridging for the simple reason of it not being done by the villain for the sake of cruelty to torment the hero.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#117235: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:45:48 PM

I think with this many people trying to move on right now, we should do so.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 28th 2020 at 12:45:59 PM

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Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#117236: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:47:56 PM

[up][up]That's not the only purpose of it or the only way it can be done but that train's already left the station.

New subject: how did Loki trundle off Odin to a retirement home? Like, how did he capture him? How did he move him? How did he keep him there?

Edited by fredhot16 on Apr 28th 2020 at 12:51:31 PM

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#117237: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:49:35 PM

There's an important lesson that can be learned from all this but I'm sure what.

So here's a video of a Yakuza doing karaoke.

Remember these are the bastards Hawkeye was hunting down during his trek to Japan. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#117238: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:50:16 PM

Though what does that say about Odin, Mr. "our People, and Myself in particular, have a long a brutal history and a mountain of secrets that in one way or another are the causes of nearly all the problems we have now, and which may come back to harm you in horrible ways, but which I won't tell you about because long ranged plans or fear of failure or whatever" himself?

One of the running themes of Odin's character is that he wants Thor to be better than him. "Don't keep secrets like I did" wasn't stated outright in any of the films, but I can see it being part of what he wanted out of Thor.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#117239: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:51:00 PM

True. I was more thinking about whether that meant Odin couldn't lift the hammer if he tried.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 28th 2020 at 12:51:15 PM

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#117240: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:52:22 PM

Did Odin ever hold the hammer after he put the enchantment on it? He did throw the hammer away seconds after casting the spell...

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 28th 2020 at 12:52:57 PM

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#117241: Apr 28th 2020 at 12:57:26 PM

Since he cast the spell it probably only applies to other people who find the hammer I imagine,the worthiness requirement is for other people and not him so to speak

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#117242: Apr 28th 2020 at 1:43:24 PM

Although the spell is "whosoever holds this hammer", not "whosoever except me", so I'm imagining Odin is still liable to the spell's rules unless he casts off the spell.

Edited by Gaon on Apr 28th 2020 at 1:46:53 AM

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Disasturbator
#117243: Apr 28th 2020 at 1:46:42 PM

Come on,Magic 101 "Always cast a counter spell on any magical object before enchanting it least someone use it against you"

what?

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#117244: Apr 28th 2020 at 2:16:01 PM

I don't think the spell would work against him, it's sourced from his own power after all.

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#117245: Apr 28th 2020 at 3:48:03 PM

In the comics for the longest time he was either excepted or worthy because he was able to handle Mjolnir as he liked

After Original Sin he was not and it made him exceptionally furious

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#117246: Apr 28th 2020 at 3:50:49 PM

Original Sin really treated Thor and his friends real bad.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#117247: Apr 28th 2020 at 3:58:00 PM

That was a real bad time for Thor.

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#117248: Apr 28th 2020 at 3:59:55 PM

let me guess,everyone went out character and acted like idiots for the sake of edginess?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#117249: Apr 28th 2020 at 4:03:05 PM

Well it included things like Thor becoming a depressed drunk & turned Volstagg into an anti-hero substitute as the "War Thor" after watching some children get brutally killed.

Also I'm not how much of an ass Odin was before but they did play up more of him being a total douchebag & I think his father was turned into a flat straw misogynist.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 28th 2020 at 4:04:30 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#117250: Apr 28th 2020 at 4:05:26 PM

I don't think the spell would work against him, it's sourced from his own power after all.

That depends how magic works in this universe. Sometimes magic is an extension of its wilder and sourced from its power, and other times the spell operates independently from the wielder once cast.

For my part I think if the spell was really dependent on Odin, it'd have ceased to function after his death in Thor Ragnarok, but it seems to work alright in both Ragnarok (very briefly) and Endgame.

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