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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#117126: Apr 24th 2020 at 2:12:06 AM

They just can't let go of HYDRA.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#117127: Apr 24th 2020 at 2:14:24 AM

Given how intertwined HYDRA and SHIELD histories are, it makes sense they can't afford to retcon one without significantly changing the other. Still could make for fun storylines.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#117128: Apr 24th 2020 at 3:00:57 AM

[up][up]you know the deal, Cut one head down....

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#117130: Apr 24th 2020 at 3:13:22 AM

We need a Hercules to destroy it

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#117131: Apr 24th 2020 at 3:20:29 AM

Everyone you know is a member of HYDRA.

That guy in front of your house? a HYDRA spy.

That weird other guy who you see once a week? HYDRA spy.

That other in the corner.....well no, he isnt a HYDRA spy, he want to be one but nobody have the heart to tell him, poor guy.

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#117132: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:38:05 AM

This makes insanely logical sense since SHIELD got its start thanks to Caps actions with the SSR in WW 2 going against HYDRA.

If HYDRA is erased/destroyed in the 1930's? No Red Skull in the 1940s, possibly no motive for Erkstne to flee Germany and work with the SSR to further develop the Super Soldier Serum which could mean NO CAPTAIN AMERICA at all, given he is the direct inspiration Peggy/Howard/Phillps used for why to found SHIELD in the first place.

On one hand...destroying HYDRA early would prevent allot of pain and suffering but on the other hand...gods only knows what ripple effects that would have on time.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#117133: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:50:05 AM

I imagine there will be a lot of drama and angst about just that. It's like a moral paradox. You know that the original timeline will work out in the end... except of course for everyone it didn't work out for. But the other timeline is an unknown, and may have far worse consequences in the long run (like Thanos not being defeated). It's a "for the greater good" thing, with all the moral problems that come with it. Is sacrificing all of Hydra's victims worth it to ensure the safety of the future world as you know it? Is it somehow more okay, because they "already died" in the original timeline? Just imagine it from the perspective of people at the time.

This is just one reason why time travel is best avoided...

Edited by FGHIK on Apr 24th 2020 at 12:24:05 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#117134: Apr 24th 2020 at 10:04:22 AM

Y'know, it occurs to me that, if Hydra didn't uncover the Tesseract, something like half of the MCU movies just plain wouldn't happen.

It brought Loki to Earth, so you'd get no The Avengers, and without Loki bringing his scepter to Earth, there'd be no Age of Ultron. And, if one of the Infinity Stones remained lost, there'd of course be no Infinity War or Endgame.

And since research into the Tesseract is responsible for both Iron Man's arc reactor and Captain Marvel's powers, they'd never become superheroes without it. And while Captain America might still exist without the Tesseract, it's doubtful there would have been a powerful and independent Hydra for him to fight without it giving them an edge.

Edited by RavenWilder on Apr 24th 2020 at 10:09:21 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#117135: Apr 24th 2020 at 10:19:34 AM

Honestly, the event that caused the greatest Butterfly effect was probably the Frost Giants invading Earth. The Jotuns invading Earth was what brought the Asgardians to Earth, plunged the two realms in war, and resulted in the Tesseract being left behind on Earth in the first place.

I guess you could also argue the Kree creating the Inhumans was another big impact, since that led to the cult that would eventually form HYDRA and how much of an impact they made on history.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Apr 24th 2020 at 1:20:01 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#117136: Apr 24th 2020 at 10:21:42 AM

> Kree creating the Inhumans

> the Inhumans

-Twitching-

what inhumans where!

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#117137: Apr 24th 2020 at 10:27:04 AM

Inhumans were a thing in AoS well before they got their own show. That's where Quake among many others got her powers, after all. They were sort of used like discount X-Men. Too bad that was still better than what they got later...

Edited by FGHIK on Apr 24th 2020 at 12:27:50 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#117138: Apr 24th 2020 at 10:28:31 AM

That What If show can't come soon enough.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#117139: Apr 24th 2020 at 1:08:45 PM

Yeah, I was slightly annoyed at the poor man's X-Men substitute Inhumans in AoS, but compared to that abomination of a show, they were a blessing.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#117140: Apr 24th 2020 at 1:10:56 PM

It’s rather amusing that Marvel now has the X-Men.

Man the Inhumans are gonna get even more shafted. [lol]

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#117141: Apr 24th 2020 at 2:59:50 PM

[up] Hopefully we get a proper introduction to the Inhumans with the Ms. Marvel series on Disney+.

EDIT: Spider-Man 3 and Doctor Strange 2 have been moved to November 2021 and March 2022 respectively.

EDIT 2: Thor: Love and Thunder has been moved up to February 11, 2022 instead of February 18.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 24th 2020 at 7:28:36 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#117142: Apr 24th 2020 at 11:55:13 PM

The July date is presumably being left open just in case Black Widow has to be pushed back again, which would consequently force Eternals to move to February and Shang-Chi into the July spot Spider-Man previously had.

That What If show can't come soon enough.

"What If The Fox Merger Had Happened Soon Enough For Wolverine To Be in The First Avengers Movie?"

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Funny but not helpful
#117143: Apr 25th 2020 at 12:02:49 AM

So it was a monkey's paw...

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#117144: Apr 25th 2020 at 10:05:25 AM

[up] If there's a silver lining to Spider-Man 3 getting delayed to next November, it's that Disney/Marvel and Sony are (ideally) using the extra time that the delays have provided to hammer out how to keep sharing Spider-Man beyond Spider-Man 3 and whatever MCU movie Spidey shows up in.

Like, if Sony wants more connective tissue with the MCU beyond Spidey, I wouldn't mind if MCU!Blade has an Early-Bird Cameo in Morbius, on account of how they seem to have more of a rivalry going on then Spider-Man ever had with Morbius. Especially since Blade still seems to be a ways from showing up.

Actually, come to think of it, now that Spider-Man 3 has been delayed to release November 2021, then they could (in theory) go right ahead and have Daredevil, right?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#117145: Apr 25th 2020 at 10:18:23 AM

What type of career would you like Sue Storm to have when she makes her MCU debut?

The comics recently retconned her into being an espionage agent in the past and she has been depicted as a scientist in the Ultimate Universe and the movies.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#117146: Apr 25th 2020 at 10:23:09 AM

[up] Why not both? Action scientist is an easily viable job for Sue to have, right? waii

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#117147: Apr 25th 2020 at 11:03:36 AM

What would let her go into space for the radiation? Is she the military liaison?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#117148: Apr 25th 2020 at 11:17:07 AM

That might be a role better suited for Ben given his military background.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#117149: Apr 25th 2020 at 11:28:41 AM

It wasn't a problem in the original origin when the flight was very much not official or authorized

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#117150: Apr 25th 2020 at 11:28:52 AM

Ben’s the liaison, Sue’s a military scientist who recruits Reed, and Johnny’s...


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