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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#117026: Apr 12th 2020 at 11:59:51 AM

Like when Nick Fury appeared on Agents of Shield

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#117027: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:00:51 PM

You know, is Inhumans still a thing?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#117028: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:03:15 PM

I think its safe to say no one wants to touch Inhumans since the TV show proved to be a such a flop

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#117029: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:03:19 PM

If we pretend hard enough, probably not

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#117030: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:04:32 PM

Check out this football, I bet THIS time time Charlie Brown will finally kick it!
Wow, talk about false equivalence! Yes, I'm sure the continued connectivity of the MCU movies and references from the shows are equivalent to a running joke.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 12th 2020 at 12:08:39 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#117031: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:08:10 PM

Alliterator, I get that you love these shows. I love them too, but you just have to face facts, man. If the films treated the shows as canon they'd have had at least something akin to a newspaper talking about the Devil of Hell's Kitchen or a Jessica Jones advertisement stuck on a wall or even a Luke Cage graffiti. They didn't, because they don't want to.

Are you sure?

Yes, I am sure and you should be too. The shows belong to Netflix, the characters belong to Marvel. Continuing the shows is impossible for either party because they're in a legal stalemate that could only be solved if Marvel purchased Netflix or somehow the shows themselves, neither of which is likely given they're direct rivals (or desirable, honestly, Disney is already too much of a juggernaut as is).

Disney can do a reboot using the old show in Broad Strokes but even that is doubtful (they'd essentially be promoting a rival company's show).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#117032: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:10:43 PM

The tv shows will most likely on a "it happened, but we'll likely never speak about these events in the movies"

And then there are things like the Inhumans that'd get blatantly ignored so they can use their stuff later on and pretend it's the first series.

Wonder how a new try with the Iron Fist would look.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#117033: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:12:00 PM

Twenty hours of HD footage of a man fighting a dragon

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#117034: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:12:21 PM

Yes, I'm sure the continued connectivity of the MCU movies and references from the shows are equivalent to a running joke.

Too literal a reading.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 12th 2020 at 12:12:53 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#117035: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:15:09 PM

Man, the whole business with the Inhumans and Marvel trying to shill them as the next X-Men is just fascinating. The first flop of the MCU was a product made out of spite.

But hey, dunking on the Inhumans show was pretty funny back then.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 12th 2020 at 12:18:52 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#117036: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:17:48 PM

Alliterator, I get that you love these shows. I love them too, but you just have to face facts, man.
Or, get this, you can stop trying to force people to say the shows are non-canon, since you have zero evidence and actively ignore Word of God.

If the films treated the shows as canon they'd have had at least something akin to a newspaper talking about the Devil of Hell's Kitchen or a Jessica Jones advertisement stuck on a wall or even a Luke Cage graffiti. They didn't, because they don't want to.
You mean like Jarvis showing up in Endgame? That means Agent Carter is canon to the MCU, right? Even though, again, it's a live-action show. (By the way, Peggy Carter also showed up in AOS, too.)

Continuing the shows is impossible for either party because they're in a legal stalemate
I mean, I'm glad you completely missed the part where I wrote "the old show can still be in continuity and they don't even have to mention it since the events of the show will have taken place over five years ago." So Marvel can totally start a new show with the same characters and not need to acknowledge the old one or have those characters show up in a movie.

Yes, I am sure and you should be too.
Thanks for telling me what I should think! But I guess I'll just, you know, go with the actual evidence and what Kevin Feige has stated.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#117037: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:25:28 PM

They'll be canon up until someone decides they want to use Daredevil or Luke Cage or something again.

Wake me up at your own risk.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#117038: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:26:26 PM

Just like the movies, then? (See: Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner.)

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#117039: Apr 12th 2020 at 12:59:08 PM

You're just arguing in blatant bad faith now and not reading my posts at all (I literally addressed they could do a show in Broad Strokes and you just ignored it). I won't engage in this silly delusion.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#117040: Apr 12th 2020 at 1:04:21 PM

HEY, DUDES! REMEMBER WHEN CAPTAIN MARVEL KILLED ALL THOSE PEOPLE? GOOD TIMES!

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Dark Lord of Falun Copper Mine
#117041: Apr 12th 2020 at 1:06:23 PM

[up] What are you talking about?

Cupcakes are coming, Darling!!
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#117042: Apr 12th 2020 at 1:07:32 PM

[up]YOU TELL ME!

No, seriously, tell me, I haven't watched that movie yet. I just remember hearing something about her going Super Saiyan.

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Rorian Dark Lord of Falun Copper Mine Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Halfway to Pon Farr
Dark Lord of Falun Copper Mine
#117043: Apr 12th 2020 at 1:13:30 PM

Sure she enters the avatar state or goes super saiyan when she realises her full power at the end of the movie, thought you was talking about something specific.

Cupcakes are coming, Darling!!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#117044: Apr 12th 2020 at 1:22:15 PM

Carol: "And this... is to go... EVEN FURTHER BEYOND! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA- (continue for 20 hours)"

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 12th 2020 at 1:22:40 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#117046: Apr 12th 2020 at 1:28:56 PM

[up]But it was an alien in disguise.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#117048: Apr 12th 2020 at 1:40:27 PM

Batman was punching old ladies before it was cool.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#117049: Apr 12th 2020 at 4:42:23 PM

I’d laugh my ass off if Carol went super saiyan 3 and got mega hair

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#117050: Apr 12th 2020 at 6:51:17 PM

re: TV/Netflix shows: I want them to be if nothing else acknowledged in the movies as much as the next guy, but it's a futile endeavor at this point. I'm reluctantly with Gaon the matter. I wish circumstances didn't prompt me to feel that way, but here we are. Shame too, the shows at their best frankly outdo even the movies at their best.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)

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