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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Daredevil and Quake went to the same orphanage, and his dad fought an AOS villain in the ring years earlier. The tv shows have always been reasonably good at referencing each other.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.I think for the most part there’s not many good times the movies could have referenced the shows in an organic unobtrusive way
Forever liveblogging the AvengersYeah. The only big one, for me, was Age of Ultron, because the plot of AOS that season tied directly into it (they provided the helicarrier Fury shows up with at the end). They didn't need to have anything major: Just have Patton Oswalt (who played a recurring agent on AOS) standing on the bridge next to Fury, and everyone on the bridge is wearing lanyards. Boom, done, no difficulty crossing over major actors with the different shooting schedules that movies and tv shows have to deal with, and only fans of AOS would even notice.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.Here's the thing: when determining what is canon, can you really rely on Word of God?
Yes, Kevin Feige says that the shows (Netflix and otherwise) are canon to the movies. But then, it's in the corporation's best interest for him to say that, because it encourages fans of the movies to check out the TV shows. If he came out and said the shows weren't canon to the movies, it could hurt their viewership. But does that mean the people making the movies are actually treating the shows as canon, or is this a case of Lying Creator?
Speaking for myself, I always assumed that Agent Carter was canon to the MCU because Peggy Carter and Howard Stark are characters in MCU movies and/or have an important impact on the MCU (ditto Faustus and Zola).
I feel like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. wants to be canon with the MCU, but that the MCU has never reciprocated. Although I have to acknowledge that it isn't really that different from Agent Carter in terms of using comic plotlines that the MCU hasn't touched yet. Or even doing its own version of something the MCU does later on.
Conversely, the Netflix shows are very tenuously tied to the MCU, and only reference MCU events in a very perfunctory way. And I've never really felt that the MCU at all treated them as canonical, except to the extent that they use elements of the Marvel universe that other works also use. Specifically, Roxxon appears in multiple Marvel tv shows and movies and is doing something evil every time it appears.
I did consider Alfre Woodard and Mahershala Ali's double castings as evidence of the MCU decanonizing the Netflix shows. However, now that Gemma Chan has double roles in the MCU, I'm walking that back, since I would not want to argue that Marvel is decanonizing Captain Marvel.
Lastly, I'm not going to bring it up in-depth, since it's come up a lot (including in my previous posts), but it is difficult to square the Judas Bullets of Luke Cage with the aresenal being sold by Toombes and his gang in Spider-Man: Homecoming.
Edited by Hodor2 on Apr 12th 2020 at 12:32:25 PM
Way too far a False Dichotomy. The Flip-Flop of God and Lying Creator pages demonstrate that there are plenty of times that authorities on works have claimed things based what’s convenient at the time rather than on canon.
If you're not relying on Word of God you can simply rely on the text itself. And the text itself has the MCU movies themselves not acknowledging the existence of any tv show (except Agent Carter) in any way. They don't exist.
Even if they did, the deal with netflix is over. These shows have been exiled from continuity.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."As far as AoS goes, honestly, the show became much better after it stopped trying to tie into the movies so much and did it's own thing.
Though I still would like them to acknowledge the snap.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian"That just means there are two parallel MCU" — again, I've already pointed out the "two MCUs argument" and why it's bull. Why not simply say that everything is canon until otherwise stated? What is the harm?
Hell, if they make another Daredevil show or have him appear again, the old show can still be in continuity and they don't even have to mention it since the events of the show will have taken place over five years ago.
Also a False Dichotomy. There have been plenty of Expanded Universe and supplementary materials in other franchises where the relationship was strictly one way.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 12th 2020 at 11:37:29 AM
I go by the Star Trek principle: both movies and shows are canon to each other, despite any "continuity drift."
But you also haven't answered my question: what's the harm? Why not just say that everything is canon?
Edited by alliterator on Apr 12th 2020 at 11:47:15 AM
Live-action media can still be EU. Halo got a number of live-action shows, but they’re still second fiddle to the games. The difference with Star Trek was that it had major protagonist characters shared across the movies and shows throughout their entire runs, while Agents, etc, at best got supporting characters for an episode or two.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 12th 2020 at 11:51:02 AM
Edited by alliterator on Apr 12th 2020 at 11:52:10 AM
I’m going to just go ahead and consider everything but Inhumans canon
Forever liveblogging the AvengersCoulson was never a protagonist in the movies. Star Trek shared protagonists like Kirk or Picard across its movies and shows.
The harm is building up unreasonable expectations that side media will influence the main media when it hardly ever will, and therefore getting needlessly mad when it doesn’t. The Black Widow movie probably won’t explain what happened to the 40s Black Widow at all, but I won’t be disappointed by that because I don’t expect it too. That’s what I’ve seen happen in prior fandoms time and time again.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 12th 2020 at 11:54:28 AM
In any case, having "unreasonable expectations" is kind of on par for any fandom, isn't it? You aren't going to stop people from wanting things by saying that the thing they want is non-canon. All you are doing is cutting off what could be a later area of connection.
When Disney took over Star Wars, they didn't immediately declare The Clone Wars as non-canon and then were able to later establish connections between that show, Rebels, and the films.
Edited by alliterator on Apr 12th 2020 at 11:59:58 AM
Check out this football, I bet THIS time Charlie Brown will finally kick it!
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 12th 2020 at 3:49:31 AM

Cloak & Dagger also has references to Luke Cage, like Misty Knight. And vice versus.