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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#116926: Apr 10th 2020 at 10:03:43 PM

6x[up] This may somewhat contradict what I said earlier, but I'm not really a fan of Hulk even having a love interest. Specifically because Hulk and Bruce are two separate beings and neither one of them can truly be happy if one is taking over full-time.

I don't know if the comics get around this but from my perspective if Hulk falls in love and has his own life, then Bruce stays repressed and vice versa.

That's part of the reason I prefer Professor Hulk as a character. He's pretty much both. And he's a really nice guy who finally seems stable enough to be in a relationship...

Then again, how many relationships in the MCU are actually stable? suprisingly, quite a bit

Edited by deuteragonist on Apr 10th 2020 at 10:05:14 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116927: Apr 10th 2020 at 10:33:58 PM

Well that’s the tragedy with the character, both sides can’t always be happy. Either Bruce or Hulk’s gotta take one for the team.

Plus no Hulk stage is permanent so most likely Professor Hulk will change one of these days into something else depending on any new experiences.

........ Oooooh we can one day bring Joe Fixit.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 10th 2020 at 10:37:57 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#116928: Apr 10th 2020 at 10:45:47 PM

I mean, very frequently in the comics Bruce and the Hulk have loved the same people.

Hulk loves Betty. Bruce loves Betty, and so on.

As 'alters' of the same person, they just express that love differently, that's all.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#116929: Apr 10th 2020 at 10:56:42 PM

There's a recurring Depending on the Writer about where Hulk ends and where Banner begins, if they are just two halves of a single coin or separate entities coexisting.

Every other author has a different opinion on it.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#116930: Apr 11th 2020 at 12:15:17 AM

I've always felt Hulk and Banner as literal split personalities that are entirely separate was a weaker concept than Hulk being an extension of Banner in the first place - it renders the character of Banner to be rather pointless, which makes the fact that he has to be around for the premise intrusive sometimes.

Though I think I might get into the Immortal Hulk, due to it getting around (and at times turning into strengths) much of the problems I feel that set-up results in.

The comics generally preferring the former is one of the reasons I've never gotten into the comics in that medium, but I've always loved the MCU for having Hulk be just Banner unrestrained for much of his tenure, only doing the "they're two separate people" thing for one movie, and then instantly getting rid of it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 11th 2020 at 12:19:25 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116931: Apr 11th 2020 at 12:22:59 AM

It was a strange note for Planet Hulk to include a bit of "Hulk's keeping a guy hostage in his head and Caiera knows about that and doesn't think all that much about it". tongue

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#116932: Apr 11th 2020 at 1:37:56 AM

I wish Professor Hulk had been more of a combination of their personalities. If Endgame is anything to go by, it's just Banner's brain with Hulk's body. It's like the Hulk we knew, who was finally starting to get real character development, is dead. And their merging in general would have been better if we saw the story of why and how it happened. I imagine this is largely a consequence of forcing his stories in the middle of other already story-dense movies... Real shame the whole Universal Studios rights fiasco kept him from getting any standalones.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116933: Apr 11th 2020 at 1:47:25 AM

I did like that test footage of Professor Hulk showing a bit of the old Hulk temper in him.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#116934: Apr 11th 2020 at 2:03:26 AM

Couldn't Tony build him a Hulk-sized keyboard? How does he even hit the right keys on that thing?

Rorian Dark Lord of Falun Copper Mine Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Halfway to Pon Farr
Dark Lord of Falun Copper Mine
#116935: Apr 11th 2020 at 4:35:17 AM

About the idea fact that Tony Stark created his own villains, I think that not true. Obadiah Stane were friends with Howard Stark and know Tony since he was a kid and it is very extremely likely that Stane was encouraging Tony's bad behaviour so he would not look into Stanes selling Stark weapons on the black market. Vanko is taking revenge on Tony because something Howard did. Killian is more of a selfish brat, if he actually booked a meeting with Stark on office hours instead of talking tom when he was drunk on the after party of a conference he probably would have funded Killians research.

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#116936: Apr 11th 2020 at 4:39:18 AM

This is going to sound bad for fans of the character but...what exactly are Hulk's character traits? The only ones I can think of are hot-tempered, arrogant, protective, and competitive.

Hulk's pretty one-note on his own without Banner, especially in the MCU. I guess they could have kept Banner's temper a bit (the test footage is a pretty good clip) but I always thought it was implied considering he's "always angry".

I also agree that Thor: Ragnarok was a weird movie for Hulk. Infinity War also did the Hulk and Banner are two seperate entities thing and it made for a pretty complicated development in comparison to what we knew about Hulk so far.

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Disasturbator
#116937: Apr 11th 2020 at 5:28:40 AM

> ..what exactly are Hulk's character traits?

He's not a bad guy?

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#116938: Apr 11th 2020 at 7:15:02 AM

I always found Hulk as a primal extension of Banner. Rage, sorrow, somewhat vindictive because of his upbringing, but the fact that the Hulk can be heroic speaks well of Banner, that they do have standards and morals rather than just pretending to do so.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116939: Apr 11th 2020 at 7:50:02 AM

what exactly are Hulk's character traits?
It depends: which Hulk?
  • The classic Savage Hulk was very child-like and wanted to be left alone. Like a child, too, he appreciated the beauty of nature, but got angry quickly when someone took it away from him or interfered with his solitude. He was the one who spoke generally in Hulk Speak and said, "Hulk smash!"
  • Joe Fixit was actually a Las Vegas mob enforcer and talked like a stereotypical mobster. He had gray skin, not green, and turned into the Hulk in darkness, so ended up having an umbrella out during the day so not to change back into Banner.
  • The Green Scar was intelligent and not very talkative, but he was also vengeance-driven and very determined. He was the one that the people of Sakaar called "Worldbreaker" because he was one of the strongest Hulks.
  • The Professor was basically Bruce Banner in the Hulk's body.
  • And the Devil Hulk, well, that's a whole different story. He is probably the most dangerous Hulk there ever was and very intelligent and very motivated...to end the world.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 11th 2020 at 7:50:25 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116940: Apr 11th 2020 at 8:28:24 AM

Ragnarok suggests a personality for Hulk

He adores being adored for once instead of feared but despite all that he’s lonely

Valkyrie was probably his only friend before Thor showed up

And I still honestly think that despite what he said about being locked in a trunk, Banner was hiding behind the Hulk to avoid thinking about Natasha

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#116941: Apr 11th 2020 at 9:18:48 AM

[up]Yeah, but Ragnarok also gives Hulk traits that are the complete opposite of Bruce's personality.

While it makes Hulk a more rounded character and a decent foil, it also really separates them as entities. I can't tell if that's really good thing or a bad thing.

The classic Savage Hulk was very child-like and wanted to be left alone. Like a child, too, he appreciated the beauty of nature, but got angry quickly when someone took it away from him or interfered with his solitude. He was the one who spoke generally in Hulk Speak and said, "Hulk smash!"

I could definitely see this for Hulk in other incarnations but I don't know about the Hulk in the MCU. This Hulk sounds like Banner: a lover of nature, really introverted, and has a deep rooted anger.

The first two Avengers movies are the only ones that really show Hulk as an extension of Banner.

Edited by deuteragonist on Apr 11th 2020 at 9:19:04 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#116942: Apr 11th 2020 at 9:20:33 AM

And the MCU Hulk movie, though that one's easy to forget.

The only movie that plays them as separate entities is Endgame, and immediately after that they fuse together.

I wouldn't mind not getting a Hulk movie after this, because it would inevitably status quo Banner back to to square one, and I think this development is a nice resting place for him.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 11th 2020 at 9:21:16 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116943: Apr 11th 2020 at 9:43:12 AM

The only movie that plays them as separate entities is Endgame, and immediately after that they fuse together.
You mean Ragnarok. In Endgame, they were already fused together and in Infinity War, Hulk refused to emerge.

And the reason Hulk is different in Ragnarok is because he was allowed to develop away from Banner for a long period of time — two years. The things he does are still things Banner would have done (like befriend Valkyrie), but they are more and more rooted in Banner's subconscious and have now emerged after a longer period of time as the Hulk.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 11th 2020 at 9:47:12 AM

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#116944: Apr 11th 2020 at 10:28:58 AM

[up]Huh. That actually makes a lot of sense.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116945: Apr 11th 2020 at 10:39:18 AM

Ragnarok did include hints that Banner and Hulk aren’t as far apart from each other as they think, with several moments of them unintentionally repeating each other’s lines (“You only want [the other guy].” “No Banner, only Hulk” “No Hulk, only Banner”)

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#116946: Apr 11th 2020 at 2:28:09 PM

Don't forget Professor Hulk greeting Valkyrie in Endgame just like Hulk would.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#116947: Apr 11th 2020 at 2:45:39 PM

raganrok make hulk like it was is own identity, in part because he was allow to stay for a long time and get is own view of things.

And yet I can see banner hiding on hulk, specially because as far Hulk can think, he is love in sakaar and have a good friend with valkyre who havent punch like tony or betray like widow did....

.....hulk is not a happy guy, isnt?.

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jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The One Who Knows Many Things
#116948: Apr 11th 2020 at 2:50:07 PM

I mean, his catchphrase is " HULK SMASH!!", not " HULK HUGS!!", so...

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#116949: Apr 11th 2020 at 2:52:17 PM

[up]I mean is the hulk we are taking about, his hugs are often very...smash-ish....

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ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#116950: Apr 11th 2020 at 2:59:06 PM

My non comics fans are mad that they think Hulk’s movie storyline is over.

And I’m like, you have the Professor Hulk and he is in possession of the only time machine.

I’d be surprised if the MCU doesn’t head toward the Maestro with Hulk now. (not counting being involved with She-Hulk’s origin)


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