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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#116901: Apr 10th 2020 at 3:08:48 PM

I don't think Cross is bad, but he comes across as diet-Obadiah to me. I like the idea that the Pym Particles are slowly making him lose his mind, but I feel that could've been developed more. We see him completely breakdown in the climax and a few choice moments before hand, but it's not explored as much as I would like. I dunno, maybe a scene where he tests the Particles on himself after he finds it works on living beings?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116902: Apr 10th 2020 at 3:13:16 PM

I mean when you got resident full human Black Widow maneuvering around the giant robot that can supposedly take on the Lighting God & green behemoth, it’s pretty pathetic.

Rather hilariously really. Loki handled the Avengers better than Ultron ever did & he explicitly wasn’t a physical opponent, having relied on his brains for the most part.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 10th 2020 at 3:13:59 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#116903: Apr 10th 2020 at 3:19:44 PM

Cross was fine for what he was, that being just Diet Stane. Watching him absolutely lose his shit after his life's work implodes and just try to murderize the shit out of everyone was entertaining at least.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Apr 10th 2020 at 6:20:10 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#116904: Apr 10th 2020 at 3:36:37 PM

Seeing that Stane himself was a rather decent villain I think Diet Stane isn't the worst it could be. Cross wasn't especially memorable but he certainly wasn't bad either, and had a few fun moments of going ham.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#116905: Apr 10th 2020 at 3:53:20 PM

Yeah, the only villains who are true black voids for me are Malekith and Killian.

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#116906: Apr 10th 2020 at 3:55:10 PM

You know who was a great villain? Hela.

Cate Blanchett did that.

It's funny because she really shouldn't work. She doesn't have the quippiest lines or the most original motivation but she's just so badass.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#116907: Apr 10th 2020 at 3:55:13 PM

Hasta la vista, Bro Thor!

Taika Waititi casts doubt about Fat Thor's return.

As I said, I would not say no to them showing Thor and Peter doing a Training Montage to the sound of this gem:

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 10th 2020 at 6:55:58 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#116908: Apr 10th 2020 at 3:56:10 PM

I mean I feel cross have potencial seen how pym(the true villian of antmantongue) remark on how close he come to himself but is just that, the rest of the movie focus to much on scott and the good guys.

Adrian...I like it? I mean is plans is good, even if his motives are petty and he push tony really close which for me is what a villian should to have villian creed, for exmaple HYDRA in winter soldier.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#116909: Apr 10th 2020 at 4:00:07 PM

Ironically not just getting rid of Thor’s fat by the end of Endgame was one of the positives of his treatment

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 10th 2020 at 7:00:40 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116910: Apr 10th 2020 at 4:00:35 PM

[up][up][up][up] Sometimes all you need for a villain is a good personality & threat level.

Killian was competent but he had a terrible personality unlike Hela who charismatic enough while also being a credible threat for the heroes.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 10th 2020 at 4:00:56 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#116911: Apr 10th 2020 at 4:04:30 PM

I'm guessing they might just settle for a more "normal", baseline Hemsworth physique kind of Thor. Not fat but not especially buff either. He's publicly spoken out along with other male actors about the grueling regimens they have to go through in order to make themselves physically presentable.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#116912: Apr 10th 2020 at 4:06:31 PM

Hela was mainly carried by Cate having a ball. She was neat and stuff, but not like, all she could've been. Then again, considering the previous movie had Malekith and November of 2017 also gave us Steppenwolf, guess there are blessings to be counted.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#116913: Apr 10th 2020 at 4:08:31 PM

I wouldn't mind if Thor still was a bit chubby in Love & Thunder. Like, he's working out to lose weight, but it's not an immediate return to his former figure. Show a more realistic progression and how it's not exactly easy to lose that much weight in the span of a few years.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#116914: Apr 10th 2020 at 4:10:01 PM

Just letting Hemsworth be is going to be a lot easier as maintaining Fat Thor, as it's unlikely Hemsworth will naturally let himself pick up that much weight on his own so sticking to that path would also require additional effort on the part of the special effects teams.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116915: Apr 10th 2020 at 5:09:47 PM

And cut the cruel snipes about Thor's body from all the other characters every five minutes. >_<

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#116916: Apr 10th 2020 at 5:22:30 PM

[up]You start with Thor doing a “getting in shape” montage and then you let him look healthy. Kill the joke in 3 minutes.

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#116917: Apr 10th 2020 at 5:26:31 PM

So I'm rewatching Ao U and unpopular opinion: Natasha and Bruce's romance got way too much hate. It came out of nowhere, sure, but the two have chemistry. Apart from the whole "I'm a monster" controversy, I would even argue it's one of the better parts of this film. At least it's some form of character development, which in retrospect this movie is pretty void of.

Still it's kind of nice to see these characters just be themselves on a regular, world-ending adventure. It's basically the most "regular" of the crossover MCU movies.

Oh yeah and leave "Fat Thor" in the trash. It's a tone-deaf, boring, and reductive development from an otherwise great movie.

Edited by deuteragonist on Apr 10th 2020 at 5:28:13 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#116918: Apr 10th 2020 at 7:44:03 PM

I personally disagree, but the thing about chemistry is that it's quite subjective to begin with.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#116919: Apr 10th 2020 at 7:48:22 PM

Well, we're bored. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116920: Apr 10th 2020 at 7:54:31 PM

Goddamn shame that Caiera got adapated out of the Planet Hulk portions of Ragnarok.

One of the few actual true loves for Hulk.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#116921: Apr 10th 2020 at 7:58:02 PM

[up]I was still quite fond of her in the animated film. But given the path of the characters, I don’t count on seeing her.

That’s another one for the “They might just adapt the Spaceknights first” pile.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#116922: Apr 10th 2020 at 8:20:49 PM

What are the chances of Skaar, though? They could easily have him as the next Hulk. Just say that Hulk got Caiera pregnant while being in Sakaar.

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#116923: Apr 10th 2020 at 8:32:36 PM

Skaar would still be a child, though, even assuming he wasn't snapped.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#116924: Apr 10th 2020 at 8:53:06 PM

About hela: she work as villian because she fit well the movie it was, Ragnarok more than anything push the irrelevant humor up to 11, as it did with the silliness, I mean even guardians know when back down, ragnarok....dosent?.

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#116925: Apr 10th 2020 at 9:06:54 PM

[up][up] well, it's been 5 years in universe after Raganarok, with out counting a few years more while they phase out Banner, they could easily introduce him as a 15 yo. I think in-universe he also looked older than he actually was, and so did Hiro, I don't recall the reason though.

As meanwhile un-Hulked Skaar looked like child, Hiro always looked like a adult.

Edited by Akirakan on Apr 10th 2020 at 11:07:47 AM


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