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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#116876: Apr 10th 2020 at 8:07:30 AM

I also really liked Spader's Ultron. 90% of his dialogue is scenery-chewing ham, but Spader does a fantastic job of chewing that scenery.

Shame about that dialogue change, though.

"You want to protect the world but you don't want it to change. How is humanity saved if it's not allowed to... evolve? With these? These puppets? There's only one path to peace: your extinction."

Chilling.

"There's only one path to peace: the Avengers' extinction."

The f*ck is that even supposed to mean? Why change the line if you're just going to have him try to exterminate the human race with a meteor anyway?

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#116877: Apr 10th 2020 at 8:15:07 AM

The line is shorter and more actiony,makes it quotable for some people,also it directly mentions the Avengers

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#116878: Apr 10th 2020 at 8:27:35 AM

[up][up][up][awesome][awesome]@alliterator Yup.

Yeah, Ultron still manages to be far more interesting and fun to watch then the majority of the MCU villains barring the obvious big 3 and Spidey villains.

Joss Whedon has a lot of issues with his writing but he sure succeeds with dialogue and quips.

Edited by deuteragonist on Apr 10th 2020 at 8:32:16 AM

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#116879: Apr 10th 2020 at 8:29:41 AM

I'm still waiting for a DC movie with Brainac

Some day my prince will come..

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#116880: Apr 10th 2020 at 8:41:17 AM

I mean, we gotta get a great modern Superman movie first...tongue

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#116881: Apr 10th 2020 at 11:32:02 AM

I also loved MCU Ultron and I don't even think his threat level was that low.

It was most certainly higher than Loki's.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#116882: Apr 10th 2020 at 11:48:10 AM

My only real complaint with Ultron is his big upgrade for the final battle just being a regular Ultron body, only more durable. Smashing identical robot mooks does some diminishing returns.

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#116883: Apr 10th 2020 at 11:49:33 AM

When he's not cracking jokes, he's a pretty great villain in an era where those were very rare.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#116884: Apr 10th 2020 at 11:52:14 AM

For me, the worst MCU villain by far is still Aldrich Killian.

Seriously, NOTHING about that guy worked.

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#116885: Apr 10th 2020 at 11:56:52 AM

I liked his powerset.

Iron Man usually fights 'guy in armor', 'guy in armor controlling a lot of armor', 'robot made out of armor', 'Captain America', and 'his own bad decisions'

It was refreshing for someone to look at the problem of Iron Man and do something that wasn't just building a better suit of armor. The Extremis powerset is a cool case of a villain cutting the gordian knot.

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#116886: Apr 10th 2020 at 12:26:02 PM

Weirdly enough, the thing that bugs me most about Iron Man 3 isn't the writing, the twist, or the characters, it's one tiny scene in the final battle. Tony is fighting Kilian in an Iron Man suit and Kilian does an overhead chop with his heat powers, Tony removes his arm from the Iron Man suit and lets Kilian chop off the Iron Man arm. Tony just LEAVES THE SUIT ON, with WHITE HOT METAL SLAG right next to his normal human arm and they don't even acknowledge that his shoulder should be suffering serious burns.

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#116887: Apr 10th 2020 at 12:27:48 PM

Well it's the same movie where Extremis users burst into flames and none of their pants or undergarments burn off. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 10th 2020 at 12:28:02 PM

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#116888: Apr 10th 2020 at 12:35:48 PM

Unstable molecules?

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#116889: Apr 10th 2020 at 1:56:35 PM

Aldritch Killian was incredibly boring in personality but his powerset was cool (figuratively speaking) and gave us an interesting matchup and final battle against the armored Iron Man.

Malekith, on the other hand, was a boring character and a boring powerset.

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#116890: Apr 10th 2020 at 2:04:21 PM

It's funny that of the surprising amount of villains that got their start because Tony screwed them over, Killian is still the worst.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#116891: Apr 10th 2020 at 2:13:32 PM

I liked Ultron more than Thanos.

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#116892: Apr 10th 2020 at 2:16:58 PM

[up][up] His reason seems more petty and while his plan is interesting, he lacks the presence the fake Mandarin had.

And they need another motive for their villains soon or else it'll wear out.

Edited by Blueace on Apr 10th 2020 at 6:18:01 AM

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#116893: Apr 10th 2020 at 2:17:02 PM

I’m still not sure what Malekith’s power set was

Was he arms fall off lad? Wait, no, that was outside effort

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#116894: Apr 10th 2020 at 2:23:24 PM

No powerset, beyond background level fantasy-race strength and durability so that Thor doesn't just turn him into soot right away. Once he absorbs the Aether he does a few things like shoot cloudy laser beams and grow in size slightly, but is mostly just the-same-but-stronger.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Apr 10th 2020 at 5:26:54 AM

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#116895: Apr 10th 2020 at 2:26:52 PM

What a waste

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#116896: Apr 10th 2020 at 2:33:25 PM

I always found it funny how for the longest time, Malekith was the MCU villain with the highest attempted body count, since he planned to destroy the entire universe with the Aether. It wasn't until Dormammu that we got a universe-scale villain in the MCU again.

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#116897: Apr 10th 2020 at 2:39:58 PM

And then you've got Thanos, whose plan killed half the living things in the universe and if it was treated semirealistically, it would have doomed the rest to a slow death.

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#116898: Apr 10th 2020 at 2:42:27 PM

Ultron quips for me dosent do the work and in fact mask he single issue that is a lack of presence, when he with wanda was great, him monologing to black widow was no, him choking thor was great, him be hit by vision and them finish with a joke was no.

Killian.....is weird, is motivation is bad and he is defeat it by a trick without using the full of is power, on the other hand he does give trouble to tony for start to end, a problem that many MCU villians lack, they dont feel like a challange at all.

the worst villian would be yellowjacket, if i stop to see evil CEO after this, I will happy.

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#116899: Apr 10th 2020 at 3:00:37 PM

[up][up]And then his past self bumps it up to direct (self-exclusionary) omnicide anyway.

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#116900: Apr 10th 2020 at 3:04:52 PM

[up][up]Nobody brings up Yellowjacket because he's that freaking forgettable.

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