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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#116801: Apr 4th 2020 at 1:14:22 PM

Grain of salt on this (though it's from Omega Underground, who are usually fairly reliable), but rumor is that the Fantastic Four were initially planned to appear in Ant-Man 3, but that's no longer the case.

I know the director of Ant-Man is apparently an FF fan and had pitched to direct that property before when it was back at Fox.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#116802: Apr 4th 2020 at 1:18:10 PM

I was never that much into the Raimi movies, but I'd have liked to see that twist with Campbell.

There's something similar in Married to the Mob, although as an internal reveal.

The FBI agent hero keeps interacting with the mob boss villain as these various quirky but forgettable people, usually as service industry people, and there's a moment where the mob boss figures it out and flashes back to every other time he saw the same person.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#116803: Apr 4th 2020 at 1:20:08 PM

[up][up][up] Mysterio's thing is that most of the things you see are not real, so that makes you question pretty much everything from his motives to his plan to even if he actually died.

Wake me up at your own risk.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116804: Apr 4th 2020 at 1:37:27 PM

I hope we see Ghost again in Ant-Man 3, even if it's only a cameo. I want to see more of her storyline — and if it leads to Thunderbolts.

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#116805: Apr 4th 2020 at 2:23:35 PM

When Peter asks E.D.I.T.H. if Beck's death is legit, she answers that all the holograms have been shut down.

This answer is conspiracy theory fuel. She did not say, "I have scanned his vitals and his heart has stopped beating. He no longer has a pulse, and brain function has ceased." She just said that he's not a hologram. To a talented illusionist, there is a lot of leeway between "not a hologram" and "100% real, no tricks".

Which more or less makes Mysterio's death into a Schrodinger's Plot Device. He's probably dead except maybe he's not. If a writer wants to use him again, then his death was a trick using practical effects all along. If no writer decides they want to use him, then he died for realsies.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 4th 2020 at 3:24:31 AM

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#116806: Apr 4th 2020 at 2:29:35 PM

> I hope we see Ghost again in Ant-Man 3, even if it's only a cameo. I want to see more of her storyline — and if it leads to Thunderbolts.

that would make it a ghost sighting so to speak

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#116807: Apr 4th 2020 at 2:44:39 PM

that would make it a ghost sighting so to speak

YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAH!!!! (Couldn't resist.)

The article linked earlier also notes that (again, take with a grain of salt), while the Fantastic 4 isn't happening in Ant-Man 3, Marvel may want to feature some form of the Young Avengers. No confirmation of any members, but while Stature is a guarantee (since she's Scott's daughter), they may also want Kate Bishop, Wiccan, Speed.

Speaking of Kate Bishop, with virtually all Hollywood titles getting pushed back due to the pandemic, would having Hailee Steinfeld as Kate be made more likely once the pandemic dies down (hopefully), or is that situation more to do with contracts instead of time commitment?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 4th 2020 at 5:47:53 AM

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#116808: Apr 4th 2020 at 2:47:58 PM

Steinfeld's response was pretty much just "We're gonna have to wait and find out", which pretty much is no answer at all so all we can do is wait. tongue

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#116809: Apr 4th 2020 at 3:14:52 PM

This is a weird find.

Apparently, there are pics of a suit Spider-Man could've worn in Civil War...

The OP says it looks the closest to Steve Ditko's design from Amazing Fantasy #15, but this one looks more evocative of the suit from the Sam Raimi movies...

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#116810: Apr 4th 2020 at 6:16:37 PM

In a Young avengers series or movie, they can put Kid/Young Loki either as a member or as an antagonist.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Apr 4th 2020 at 6:18:49 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#116811: Apr 4th 2020 at 6:50:46 PM

There's a lot of speculation that Carl Lumbly's character in Falcon and the Winter Soldier might be Isaiah Bradley (since it's unlikely he's playing Battlestar given his age), so they might be introducing Patriot soon enough as well. And that's with the heavy speculation Wandavision may introduce Wiccan and Speed.

Edited by comicwriter on Apr 4th 2020 at 7:11:24 AM

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#116812: Apr 4th 2020 at 7:01:44 PM

Eli's a character that I thought might not appear before due to copyright issues but recently it appears things are clearing up for him.

The short version is that Eli and Isaiah Bradley were off limits for Marvel writers for the past 7 years due to the writer of Truth: Red, White, and Black having died and taken the rights to the characters with him. That is also why Eli was Put on a Bus during Gillen's Young Avengers, replaced with the weird Patriot ghost and America Chavez occupying the slot of the patriotic teammate.

But as of this year things are started to look up again for Eli. He's made cameos in Marvel #1000 and the upcoming next Black Panther issue, and I got to chat with the writer of the upcoming Hulking comic run a few weeks ago and he told me he encountered no copyright issues with using Eli. So maybe he might make an MCU appearance. Who knows.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 4th 2020 at 7:04:46 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116813: Apr 4th 2020 at 7:24:44 PM

[up] The creator you're talking about is Robert Morales, who died in 2013. The last Young Avenger book came out in 2013, too, so it's possible that his control of the character made it so Gillen couldn't use the character in that book, but after his death, Marvel could have bought the rights from his estate.

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#116814: Apr 4th 2020 at 9:04:08 PM

True; if we get another appearance of Peggy Carter, we may or may not get a confirmation. But that's a big "if."
I forget, is it actually confirmed that she'll be in the last season of Ao S, or is it just a case of mass hopeful thinking?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116815: Apr 4th 2020 at 9:11:45 PM

At this point? Wishful thinking. We know the season is going to start sometime around 1931 (since we saw the almost-completed Empire State Building), which is prior to First Avenger and her own series. But then again, the last season will feature time travel, so who knows whether or not they will time travel forward another fifteen years and meet Peggy. (Which would be supremely cool, as Simmons has previously expressed her admiration for her.) There was an article on FandomWire about Hayley Atwell making an appearance in Season 7, but there was no official confirmation and the article's disappeared now.

It also might skirt around the ending to Endgame since we don't know when Captain America meets Peggy in his timeline, so the Agents could meet her first and then, right after they leave, Steve could show up. (Presumably off-screen — I doubt they would get a cameo from Chris Evans, although that would be awesome, too.)

The last season of AOS does seem to be jumping through time — specifically, exploring SHIELD's entire history (since we also know that Patrick Warburton's General Stoner will make an appearance) — so I hope they bring in Peggy and, you know, everyone else who was ever in the show.

By the by, we already know the episode title for every episode, we just don't know when they will air. You'd think that with all of the filming, editing, and SFX done, they could simply air them right now and let people quarantined have a little treat, but who knows. "Summer 2020" is all we know.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 4th 2020 at 9:13:37 AM

Teemo from Nottingham, UK (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: In another castle
#116816: Apr 5th 2020 at 12:03:07 AM

Yeah, the previous season started airing in mid-June IIRC. At least now I won't be faced with having to miss a couple of episodes cause I'm watching the Olympics.

Edited by Teemo on Apr 5th 2020 at 2:06:19 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#116817: Apr 6th 2020 at 7:37:27 AM

A press release for Disney+ France lists The Falcon and The Winter Soldier and WandaVision for 2020, Loki and What If for 2021, and Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, and Moon Knight for 2022.

This might have been made before they decided to push all MCU projects further due to the pandemic, so take this with a grain of salt.

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#116818: Apr 9th 2020 at 4:06:02 PM

The OG Guardians, turned into Animal Crossing people.

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#116819: Apr 9th 2020 at 4:13:19 PM

Looks like Rocket's going into the housing market.

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#116820: Apr 9th 2020 at 4:17:15 PM

My sister is saying bad things about Tom Nook, something about getting you into debt. Is he really that bad?

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#116821: Apr 9th 2020 at 4:20:41 PM

No,its a running joke about Nook being a bad guy

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116822: Apr 9th 2020 at 4:40:57 PM

Tom Nook is pretty decent, all things considered. He sells you a house for the equivalent of $400 US dollars, doesn't charge rent, only charges building fees with no deadline, interest, or advance demands, gives you a job to help you pay off debt, and buys literal bugs and fruit you find lying around town.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#116823: Apr 9th 2020 at 4:55:02 PM

On the other hand, he charges you 10000 Bells to pick spots for him to sell land to new villagers, and the only recompense you get is 1000 points in a currency you can only exchange for his services.

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#116824: Apr 9th 2020 at 5:12:25 PM

On other news Taika Waititi is hosting a Thor Ragnarok watch party on Instagram Live right now, and Tessa Thompson and Mark Ruffalo have shown up. grin

The totally real script for Thor: Love and Thunder.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 9th 2020 at 5:15:16 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#116825: Apr 9th 2020 at 5:32:34 PM

[up] [lol][lol][lol]

Some ACTUAL updates regarding Love and Thunder:

Evidence is showing that Love and Thunder will be even more bonkers than Ragnarok ever was.

EDIT: And Taika's playing dumb about Loki...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 9th 2020 at 8:34:35 AM


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