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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116726: Apr 1st 2020 at 11:41:56 AM

[up][up] What do you mean by development exactly?

The point of her character is that she's a complete warmonger who could never move from her imperialist mindset like Odin did.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116727: Apr 1st 2020 at 11:50:42 AM

Does this mean Hela's mom is still out there? Is she Death? Or Maleficent?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116728: Apr 1st 2020 at 11:57:07 AM

Probably Maleficent

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116729: Apr 1st 2020 at 11:58:00 AM

Wouldn't that mean Hela's part-dragon then?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#116730: Apr 1st 2020 at 11:58:46 AM

well,she's be part fairy technically

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116731: Apr 1st 2020 at 12:06:11 PM

Can’t wait twenty years for Kingdom Hearts 5 with an MCU world where Maleficent has a reunion with Hela

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#116732: Apr 1st 2020 at 1:03:57 PM

My personal headcanon is that Hela is the result of a fusion dance between Maleficent and Galadriel from Lord of the Rings.

The legend has returned.
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#116733: Apr 1st 2020 at 8:41:59 PM

Ragnarok flip-flops between focusing on Hela and her subjugation of Asgard, and focusing on the Grandmaster and his colliseum. The Grandmaster was kinda goofy and charismatic enough that he didn't really need much screentime to work. Hela though, I think she's done a real disservice by the movie deciding to abandon her for like, its entire middle portion to give us Hulk stuff. And then the Hulk gets almost nothing to do in the climax. Because both halves of the movie don't really flow that well together.

Edited by GNinja on Apr 1st 2020 at 3:45:34 PM

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#116734: Apr 1st 2020 at 9:27:29 PM

My eyes almost rolled out of my skull when Skurge picked up two machine guns. Like, no, Taika. You don't just get to Gjallerbru in ten seconds and expect me to be emotionally invested. Fuck off with ya.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116735: Apr 1st 2020 at 9:29:44 PM

Call them by their given Christian names.

Des and Troy.

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 1st 2020 at 12:30:03 PM

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#116736: Apr 1st 2020 at 9:31:23 PM

But they're not Christians.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116737: Apr 1st 2020 at 9:34:41 PM

They're from Texas, of course they are

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116738: Apr 1st 2020 at 9:35:13 PM

[up][up][up][up] I mean, he set up those machine guns in the first act and then paid them off in the third, so it works, it just doesn't work as well as it did in the comics. And that's because the comics took a dozen issues to set everything up and, by that point, Skurge the Executioner was already a well known villain who had basically lost everything and realized that he had been manipulated over and over again and just wanted to do something that mattered.

This is how comics work better than movies: Skurge's sacrifice works because we've been reading about Skurge for twenty years, we've seen him making the same mistakes over and over again, following the Enchantress over and over again, and then we see him realize that she will never love him, that he has failed basically his entire life, but, for one brief shining moment, he can save Thor himself. So he knocks Thor out, takes the M16s that had previously been stolen, and holds the bridge at Gjallerbru:

They sing no songs in Hel, nor do they celebrate heroes. For silent is that dismal realm and cheerless. But the story of the Gjallerbru and the god who defended it is whispered across the Nine Worlds.
And when a new arrival asks about the one to whom even Hela bows her head, the answer is always the same.
He stood alone at Gjallerbru.
And that answer is enough.

But you can't have all that in a single movie. It just doesn't work. You need a TV show or you need to have set everything up three movies ago or something.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 1st 2020 at 9:39:46 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116739: Apr 1st 2020 at 9:39:32 PM

I think Ragnarok did good at nearly everything it was trying to do in a 2 hour 10 minute span and we wouldn't be getting a Thor 4 without its success, but if I wanted any MCU film to be expanded into a miniseries I would pick it to be. A longer look at Hela's reign of terror of Asgard and Heimdall's resistance, coupled with an expanded cinematic Planet Hulk would be worthwhile. The animated Planet Hulk was pretty faithful but it left out most of the Spikes arc, which was one of my favorite subplots.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#116740: Apr 1st 2020 at 10:24:44 PM

If any MCU film were to be redone as a miniseries, I'd definitely rather it be the Hulk film. More time to expand on what led Sterns (Leader), "Doc" Samson, Ross, and Betty to where they were, and a little bit of how Banner ended up in Brazil. Then maybe a bit of what happened to them all after, especially Doc Samson and the Leader. Ross, we got snippets of. Banner... how did he get halfway across the world, wind up as a doctor, "lock the Hulk in the trunk of the mental car", and get extensive plastic surgery to look like a completely different person.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#116741: Apr 1st 2020 at 10:41:07 PM

Since they couldn't make movies, the lack of a Hulk tv series to pick up the slack for years really left him and his mythos bone dry.

Though on the other hand, a Hulk series has to be expensive (practically everyone has a Transformation Sequence, loads of necessary CGI for more characters than the average series, etc) so them waiting until now when there's no way the MCU train isn't going to print oodles of money to make the She-Hulk series does make sense.

That and now they can make shows at their leisure without also having to deal with networks or services that aren't under their control at the same time.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116742: Apr 1st 2020 at 10:53:23 PM

Too bad it's not the 70s anymore and they can't just spray green paint on a guy and call it a day. tongue

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#116743: Apr 1st 2020 at 11:12:16 PM

The circumstances are obviously not completely the same but you got to admire Scott making the most out of not being allowed to leave his house in light of what's happening now.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#116744: Apr 2nd 2020 at 5:42:08 AM

> Too bad it's not the 70s anymore and they can't just spray green paint on a guy and call it a day. tongue

Fox throws blue paint in your direction

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#116745: Apr 2nd 2020 at 5:44:15 AM

[up]That the actress wanted to use less and less of per film.

If the She-Hulk series wasn’t being dogged with so many controversies because of its writer, I’d say there’s the mythos expansion people want. Hopefully it can move past all of those.

Edited by Beatman1 on Apr 2nd 2020 at 8:49:31 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116746: Apr 2nd 2020 at 6:08:46 AM

If the She-Hulk series wasn’t being dogged with so many controversies because of its writer
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the writer making one joke on Twitter that some people thought was in bad taste suddenly became "so many controversies." Or, wait, what other controversies were there?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#116747: Apr 2nd 2020 at 6:13:10 AM

She was critical of South Park and that really riled their fanbase,i don't have anything against her for that,it's her joke I have the most problems with

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#116748: Apr 2nd 2020 at 6:13:45 AM

The other, more prominent one is comicsgate folk attacking her being an SJW / not a “real fan” in connection with her writing Rescue and She Hulk. At least with the latter, the “complaint” was that she didn’t post on Instagram how much she loves Marvel comics.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116749: Apr 2nd 2020 at 6:17:56 AM

Yeah, those aren't real controversies. Saying that the show has been "dogged with so many controversies" is being a bit (or a lot) disingenuous then.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#116750: Apr 2nd 2020 at 6:23:41 AM

Right, most of the sources that paint her as a figure of controversy are, well, alt-right connected. They're usually things that you'd only find controversial if you're of the socially far-right persuasion, otherwise it's mostly a bunch of nontroversies.

Even the COVID-19 joke, while still certainly a shitty thing to say and fairly tasteless even with context, is far from the monstrous statement within a pattern of monstrous statements it's being portrayed as.

Edited by AlleyOop on Apr 2nd 2020 at 10:25:54 AM


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