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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116701: Mar 31st 2020 at 7:13:28 PM

It's a meat-cycle. tongue

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116702: Mar 31st 2020 at 7:14:09 PM

i don't like this

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#116703: Mar 31st 2020 at 8:09:40 PM

Goose Rider looks like Bone and I love it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 31st 2020 at 8:12:39 AM

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#116704: Mar 31st 2020 at 9:58:07 PM

Imagine remarrying after the snap, spending years with them, having a few kids. Then your entire old family shows back up.

...oh my god.

Edited by Soble on Mar 31st 2020 at 9:59:34 AM

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#116705: Mar 31st 2020 at 10:52:47 PM

I could see polyamory being more socially acceptable as a side-effect of the Blip.

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#116706: Mar 31st 2020 at 11:36:09 PM

That was something that slightly disappointed me in Far from Home, where it suggests an idea like that with a teacher commenting on his wife moving on but it was more of a joke and the whole Snap/Blip was seen as more of an amusing hiccup than the society-breaking event it was.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116707: Mar 31st 2020 at 11:54:32 PM

I wonder if, in lieu of today’s societal upheaval from COVID-19, the MCU will start using references to the Snap to refer our pandemic the way the Battle of New York was occasionally used to reference 9/11.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#116708: Apr 1st 2020 at 12:02:01 AM

I'm curious how COVID-19 is going to affect the MCU in-universe. We're going to have at least one or two films that deal with an epidemic of some sort.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#116709: Apr 1st 2020 at 4:44:32 AM

[up]Ant Man and the Wasp already did the house confinement joke.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#116710: Apr 1st 2020 at 5:30:26 AM

In which Hope kidnapped him from. There a joke here, but it feels inappropriate(?).

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#116711: Apr 1st 2020 at 5:35:07 AM

I don't remember if we saw something looking like viruses during the trip to the Quantum Realm. There were tardigrades, and I think there was something looking like the representation of an atom, but I'd be curious to know if there was something else before the acid trip began.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#116712: Apr 1st 2020 at 6:22:10 AM

I suppose an X-Men plot-line could come from this:

  • the Avengers vs X-Men storyline that, I think, dealt with an epidemic where the Inhumans terrigen whatever was lethal to mutants
  • mutant paranoia goes up, up, up because scary virus happens and suddenly people have mutant powers

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#116713: Apr 1st 2020 at 7:23:51 AM

Ok. So I always give Captain Marvel sh-t for not showing up to help with any of the Phase 1 to 3 movies.

Now I have to give Cap sh-t for not going to or contacting any of the Avengers during Winter Soldier. Did Stark not leave a "break glass in case an entire organization [Stark] immensely dicks around with turns out to be a corrupt Neo-Nazi regime?" button.

Was Banner not on HYDRA's watchlist? Did Widow not have 24-hour surveillance on him? Even if he was being monitored what exactly were they planning to do if Widow or Cap told him anything. "Hey Bruce SHIELD is HYDRA go nuts!"

Did Thor not have a "break glass in case we need to do a big MCU team photo" button somewhere? Did he just show up after Avengers whenever he wanted randomly?

Were Cap and super secret agent womaaaaaan Black Widow truly so boxed in by HYDRA they couldn't sneak their way into a pay phone and contact any of these extremely useful people? What about Rhodes? He's not SHIELD. He's reach-able. And by extension so is Tony.

Did no one even consider contacting any of the Real SHIELD people from Agents of Shield at the time?

Did Maria Hill not have any of the Avengers on Snapchat or something, or was she too busy putting together that rescue halfway through the movie?

See this is why Fury should have put the Netflix-vengers on the list - Luke or Castle or Jessica would have been an immense help and they were in Queens when all of this was going down. Well maybe not Castle I guess.

Edited by Soble on Apr 1st 2020 at 7:56:36 AM

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#116714: Apr 1st 2020 at 7:46:02 AM

HYDRA knew Steve would go for the Avengers, and most of them are not exactly subtle enough to help unravel a conspiracy. They were trying to lie low, so they went to some random guy Steve had just met, who wouldn't be on the HYDRA watchlists yet.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#116715: Apr 1st 2020 at 7:49:19 AM

[up][up] There's always going to be a level of Superman Stays Out of Gotham that we need to accept for MCU films. While in some cases the reason is explicit and flows directly from the premisenote , we can't expect every movie to go through a list of all nominally available Avengers that the studio didn't budget for and explain what they are too busy doing or why they can't be contacted.

That being said I think Winter Soldier could of at least indicated why Tony Stark and Bruce Banner couldn't of been brought in. It could be as simple as Nick Fury not having any secure means of contacting them in time to help with the Helicarrier problem. Obviously he was able to contact them eventually since the next time we see the Avengers they are all smashing their way through Von Strucker's base.

Edited by Falrinn on Apr 1st 2020 at 7:49:34 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#116716: Apr 1st 2020 at 7:57:34 AM

Keep in mind that HYDRA was keeping tabs on anything that might lead them to Steve and Natasha. Phone calls, social media posts, texts, anything. They couldn't exactly contact the other Avengers to help without alerting HYDRA to where they were. Unless they got decrypted phones or something, but that's still a big risk.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#116717: Apr 1st 2020 at 8:07:01 AM

"hey guys you Know that thor movie they were discussing with netflix? Yeah I heard Stark Industries was thinking about funding it. They're thinking about having others like Captain America and the Hulk show up lololol. They're supposed to be shooting in Brooklyn I think."

posted by Motokokusanagi-616 at 4:15 am

"I am sooooo there!"

posted by Therealironman at 4:30 am

"Me too!"

posted by sunsgettingreallow at 6:22 am

  • Rumlow: Found'em.
  • Sitwell: How'd you find'em?
  • Rumlow: Some forum for comic book nerds.

Edited by Soble on Apr 1st 2020 at 8:14:00 AM

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#116718: Apr 1st 2020 at 8:23:20 AM

And the time frame of the movie, as with most MCU films, was incredibly short for the time period that they were on the run.

Cap shook any immediate tails on him on the bridge (the deleted concept fight with Hawkeye would've given some explanation, but it's still a little ridiculous), then went to the hospital for the USB. The closest major hospitals to the Triskelion are minutes away. Then he met up with Natasha, had their conversation, and they went to the mall. They found out the information they needed was in New Jersey. They stole a car, and headed to the fictional Camp Lehigh in fictional Wheaton, New Jersey, which would've been 4-5 hours drive. Then there were the scenes there, and they realized they needed to rush back to stop the launch, which they did by driving back overnight - they didn't even have time to find a shower before getting to Sam's place the following morning. The one opportunity they could've had to run into another Avenger would've been to hope that Stark, Pepper, or Banner was at Stark Tower, which would've meant hours more of a journey, with no guarantee that they'd even find someone, in one of the busiest cities in the world (too many eyes). Rhodey would've of course been impossible to reach.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#116719: Apr 1st 2020 at 9:24:52 AM

"hey guys you Know that thor movie they were discussing with netflix? Yeah I heard Stark Industries was thinking about funding it. They're thinking about having others like Captain America and the Hulk show up lololol. They're supposed to be shooting in Brooklyn I think."

posted by Motokokusanagi-616 at 4:15 am

"I am sooooo there!"

posted by Therealironman at 4:30 am

"Me too!"

posted by sunsgettingreallow at 6:22 am

Rumlow : Found'em.

Sitwell : How'd you find'em?

Rumlow : Some forum for comic book nerds.

It's the last part that gets me.[lol]

Edited by HandsomeRob on Apr 1st 2020 at 10:29:13 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#116720: Apr 1st 2020 at 9:44:30 AM

Double Post: Re-watching the original Thor. Odin's speech at the beginning (not surprisingly) takes some darker connotations when you know the real story.

Also, the scene where Thor is arrogantly striding down the walkway is great because of Odin's face the entire time.

Everyone else is just Ha! Ha! That wacky crazy Thor!

Odin's just like please don't let this shit happen again.

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jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The One Who Knows Many Things
#116721: Apr 1st 2020 at 10:14:47 AM

And of course there's that moment where Odin pauses before saying, "...my firstborn...", while Frigga looks away.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116722: Apr 1st 2020 at 10:19:24 AM

Oh wow now that’s deep.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#116723: Apr 1st 2020 at 11:30:36 AM

Oh. I missed that.

Years later and we're still finding these little things about the old movies.

So does this mean Frigga is Hela's mom? I never really gave it much thought.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#116724: Apr 1st 2020 at 11:32:31 AM

I think that goes without saying,Hela not getting character development is a crying pity

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#116725: Apr 1st 2020 at 11:35:19 AM

I think Thor refers to her as his half-sister in Infinity War, which would suggest that Frigga was not her mother. It could just be a retcon though.


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