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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116601: Mar 27th 2020 at 12:21:01 AM

No, Nadia has very little in common with Hope. Nadia is a teen, Hope is an adult. Nadia is cheerful and scientific, Hope is uptight and corporate. Hope was raised normally with her parents in their home, Nadia was raised from birth in the Red Room as an assassin.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#116602: Mar 27th 2020 at 12:30:57 AM

They have daughter of Hank Pym and a name in common

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116603: Mar 27th 2020 at 12:38:03 AM

Of note: Nadia is Hank's daughter with Maria Trovaya, his first wife. She takes on the last name Van Dyne after Janet adopts her.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#116604: Mar 27th 2020 at 12:53:53 AM

She was likely added in to cash on the "Hank Pym's daughter" hype the first Ant-Man movie had, but enough there's significant enough divergence that they're definitely not remotely the same character, and for that I'm actually glad they didn't just take the lazy route of backporting from the movies like so many other Marvel comics have done.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#116605: Mar 27th 2020 at 1:04:29 AM

[up] Right that’s what I meant.

She is technically Hope’s comic counterpart due to being created because to the formers high profile role in the movies regardless of the extreme differences between the characters.

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#116606: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:05:39 PM

Yeah, Nadia is supposed to be Hope's comic counterpart. She was created around the release of the first Ant-Man and since they couldn't or didn't want to use the MC 2 version they created a new character to be Hank's daughter.

There's also the added Bilingual Bonus that Nadia in various slavic languages (her mother was hungarian) means "hope".

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#116607: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:08:03 PM

You know, she could be an In Name Only character. Her legacy seems way more connected to the Red Room than the Pyms. Maybe she takes up the mantle of the Black Widow, the assassin that goes where heroes can’t.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 27th 2020 at 8:11:41 AM

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#116608: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:23:18 PM

Well, Nadia's promoted as a Kid-Appeal Character, with a very Girls in STEM focus, so they would more likely excise the Red Room part rather than go the darker road of making her a Black Widow, which wouldn't be much like her stories' tone.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 27th 2020 at 5:24:07 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#116609: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:35:50 PM

[up]You don’t have to connect her to those concepts when you have Cassie, who’s been hyped up for a while now as wanting to fight crime with her dad. It comes off as crowded vs the Widow legacy which is wide open.

That’s why I’m thinking In Name Only.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 27th 2020 at 8:36:15 AM

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#116610: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:44:28 PM

Cassie's more the teen Ant-Man than the teen Wasp, and also more tied to the Young Avengers while Nadia is tied to the Champions. But given that there have been multiple teases of the Young Avengers while there have been hardly any of the Champions, we might be another Phase or two away from getting the latter team while the YA are just around the corner.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 27th 2020 at 5:48:19 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#116611: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:49:32 PM

If we get Young Avengers, I doubt we'll be getting Champions.

2 teen teams kinda make things redundant.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#116612: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:51:26 PM

Good thing the MCU adults haven't royally fucked up enough to justify the Champions.

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#116613: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:52:49 PM

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#116614: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:55:36 PM

> Good thing the MCU adults haven't royally fucked up enough to justify the Champions.

my monkey's paw just twitched

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#116615: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:56:59 PM

[up]Call the police for animal cruelty.

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#116616: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:58:47 PM

I don't know the thing that caused Kamala to form the Champions was some minor collateral damage & the Avengers not knowing how to fix it since none of them are construction workers.

Then again teenagers are stupid as fuck so any petty enough reason would be okay for the Champions formation.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 27th 2020 at 5:59:25 AM

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#116617: Mar 27th 2020 at 5:59:34 PM

> Call the police for animal cruelty.

its a magic hand you doofus

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#116618: Mar 27th 2020 at 6:01:07 PM

It would be pretty ironic if the Young Avengers got most of the MCU focus for the next Phases considering they've barely gotten any material since 2014 while the Champions have had steady publishing over the last few years.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 27th 2020 at 6:02:42 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#116619: Mar 27th 2020 at 6:03:12 PM

They are recently making the Champions the main hub for all the team heroes.

Its like Teen Titans Unlimited.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#116620: Mar 27th 2020 at 6:04:47 PM

[up]X4

Actually it was her being a little bitter over how the Avengers handled things post Civil War II.

You know, with Carol putting her fist through Tony's chest and becoming a fascist and all.

This embittered her because she felt the Avengers caused too much shit and only cared about fighting villains and all...I think. I'm not totally sure on all of that, only that she split.

If we get Young Avengers, I doubt we'll be getting Champions.

2 teen teams kinda make things redundant.

I mean, there are multiple adult teams, so I'm not sure why.

Though I admit, we've never had both the Teen Titans and Young Justice be made up of teens (the former was mostly young adults before the two merged way back in the mid 2000's).

But I still don't consider it an issue. That being said, I can picture a team that's a combination of the Young Avengers, New Warriors, and Champions, with a name from one of them.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Mar 27th 2020 at 7:05:16 AM

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#116621: Mar 27th 2020 at 6:05:24 PM

[up][up]Careful with the recently expanded group of villains that hijack their communications and try to capture them all.

[up] Dunno, but having all the adults focus more on beating each other than the actual bad guys and acting like complete psychopaths would disillusion any kid.

Edited by Blueace on Mar 27th 2020 at 10:09:49 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116622: Mar 27th 2020 at 6:07:16 PM

[up][up] Okay there are only 2 adult teams here, the Avengers & the Guardians & the differences between the 2 are clear.

While I struggle a bit to figure out what makes Champions & YA distinct from each other to have their own films.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#116623: Mar 27th 2020 at 6:08:57 PM

Well, ok. If you're talking MCU, then yeah. Only two teams (though calling the Guardians adults is stretching it).

I was thinking more comics-wise. That being said, we'll likely get a new adult team in the X-Men soon, and the FF will pop up eventually as well.

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#116624: Mar 27th 2020 at 6:23:15 PM

Its funny because Tony doesn't seem to hold much of a grudge. Or at least he feels okay joking about it, asking Carol not to kill him again when his suit has been hacked with him in it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#116625: Mar 27th 2020 at 7:45:19 PM

I think Tony knows full well he deserved an ass kicking, even if he was on the right side since he was one half of the first Civil War.

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