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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#116576: Mar 24th 2020 at 1:00:11 PM

I'm not gonna lie, compared to the truly bad X-Men movies, Apocalypse is pretty damn good. Like, I'd put it above other X-Men movies that are more well-liked, like The Wolverine or the first X-Men.

The legend has returned.
ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#116577: Mar 24th 2020 at 1:33:16 PM

IIRC the actress for Psylocke took that role over the part of Vanessa in Deadpool because she didn't want to be eye candy for a few scenes and then never again seen in the film.

Welllll we know how that ended...

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#116578: Mar 24th 2020 at 2:11:19 PM

I consider Apocalypse to be a villain in search of a movie (in more ways than one). It has some really good moments but the entire film got lost in the big, epicness it was trying to be, and the final fight takes like 30 minutes.

Psylocke wasn't a particularly strong part of the story, but wasn't an insultingly bad version of the character either. You could have taken her exit as a minor Sequel Hook, but that didn't pan out.

Edited by KJMackley on Mar 24th 2020 at 2:14:19 AM

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#116580: Mar 24th 2020 at 4:52:02 PM

[up]I did that already. How quickly do you want to die?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116581: Mar 24th 2020 at 4:55:59 PM

Now that’s what I call running out of budget.

Also funny thing about Apocalypse but Deadpool shows you can have characters with the over the top builds even if it’s done with CG.

So I’m hoping next time Apocalypse shows up he’s got the massive bod like Colossus & Juggernaut does.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#116582: Mar 24th 2020 at 4:59:08 PM

And you know get played up as the harbinger of destruction like he should be portrayed. Hell Magneto did more damage to the world.

Just Makima.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116583: Mar 24th 2020 at 5:03:30 PM

One of the highlights of a comics conference I went to a few years ago was hearing Scott McCloud complain that Apocalypse wasn't apocalyptic enough.

How quickly do you want to die?

Oh in about 70 years or so.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116584: Mar 24th 2020 at 5:03:57 PM

Also not have his movie hijacked by fucking Stryker for no other reason than to pad out time.

It’s also one of those moments where you truly despise a character helping to ruin a film.

[up] Heh that sounds funny. [lol]

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 24th 2020 at 5:04:40 AM

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#116585: Mar 24th 2020 at 5:38:29 PM

It's funny that Apocalypse's most impressive feat in that film was getting rid of the world's nuclear arsenal. Like it's a well-done sequence, that's pretty much the opposite of apocalyptic.

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#116586: Mar 24th 2020 at 5:41:23 PM

You'd think he'd launch all of them to rule over whoever was left, or something.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116587: Mar 24th 2020 at 5:43:09 PM

I think he was trying to make a point or something with that.

[up] That or is it to reformat the world.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 24th 2020 at 5:46:25 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#116588: Mar 24th 2020 at 5:44:42 PM

His point was that he doesn't need technology, because with his powers he and his followers are far superior. Which is an awesome idea, but the rest of the film didn't quite measure up.

I still enjoyed the film, but in the end it was kinda meh.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
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Pet Owner
#116589: Mar 24th 2020 at 6:14:28 PM

I mean the idea could have worked if the nation's launched them at Apocalypse while getting rid of mutant kind for good under the pretense of saving the world. Then Pooky breaks them up showing how weak humanity is.

Just Makima.
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#116590: Mar 24th 2020 at 6:21:06 PM

It's a trade off, using CG to render a character automatically creates a barrier to them feeling natural in their world, so otherworldly aliens and monsters is where CG works best, bodybuilders painted green and even really practical costumes and animatronics have their limitations. Apocalypse is known for size changing, but I think making him all CG would have harmed the movie because you would lose a lot of the performance of the central villain, and Oscar Isaac is putting all into he could. They put A LOT of effort into Thanos to avoid that pitfall.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#116591: Mar 24th 2020 at 6:27:40 PM

I think Apocalypse getting rid of the nukes is a message to the world that's in the midst of the Cold War: "You worship nuclear weapons as gods. Nonsense, bow down to me instead."

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116592: Mar 25th 2020 at 4:45:59 PM

Another X-Men thought.

So ya know how we all kind rib on the MCU for having way too many daddy issues with Thanos amusingly enough being the ultimate Arch-nemesis Dad?

Well now we have the opportunity for the ultimate reversal in Mystique, the mother of mommy issues. She has a lot of kids, the most famous of which being Rogue, Nightcrawler, & Graydon Creed, & she has treated all of them like fucking garbage. Hell she outright abandoned Graydon when she discovered he wasn't a Mutant which instilled him Mutant hatred & made him another genocider.

You can argue who is the worse parent between her & Thanos so it would be hilarious if they can manage to adapt the family insanity for these characters.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#116593: Mar 25th 2020 at 7:30:13 PM

[up]Thanos stomps.

Mystique is an asshole, but Thanos is a monster.

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#116594: Mar 26th 2020 at 8:45:50 PM

Scott Derrickson, the director of Doctor Strange, did a livetweet of the movie today. All down his timeline if you want to read it.

Thinking back on the film, I wonder if later films will interpret Mordo's line about "the bill comes due" for using the Time Stone as Thanos and the Black Order's assault for the Stone.

I ended up watching this later and it was an interesting breakdown.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 26th 2020 at 8:46:29 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116595: Mar 26th 2020 at 11:38:34 PM

Evangeline Lilly has apologized for her previous comments about COVID-19 and social distancing. I mean, good for her, but her excuse of "But it wasn't the policy at the time!" is weird, since, I mean, I'm pretty health officials were telling people to do social distancing since early March, but whatever. (Also, her comments about "Martial Law" were silly and stupid.) I'm willingly to bet she saw the backlash to her post and decided it was better to simply apologize, which is fine.

Still: is there a way to introduce Nadia van Dyne into the MCU?

Edited by alliterator on Mar 26th 2020 at 11:58:44 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116596: Mar 26th 2020 at 11:46:47 PM

Black Widow, Stinger. A tiny girl leaps off of Natasha after having stowed away out of the Red Room. She introduces herself as Nadia.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 26th 2020 at 11:47:07 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116597: Mar 26th 2020 at 11:48:19 PM

[up] That's simple enough.

Wait would she still be Hank's daughter here?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116598: Mar 26th 2020 at 11:59:06 PM

Probably not. Maybe she'd become a long lost niece or something. Or she got put in cold storage like Bucky.

And Ultron wouldn't be her "brother" and thus she dodges being in one of the most complicated family trees in Marvel. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 26th 2020 at 11:59:54 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116599: Mar 27th 2020 at 12:07:25 AM

Possibly Nadia could be Hope’s daughter

But there’s a high chance of in name only because there’s a lot of context to Nadia in the 616

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116600: Mar 27th 2020 at 12:11:11 AM

Actually wasn’t Nadia created to capitalize on Hope?

As in she’s the comic version of her?

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 27th 2020 at 12:14:06 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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