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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#116526: Mar 21st 2020 at 6:39:39 AM

The only thing he will ever be good for is killing people.

That's depressing.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#116527: Mar 21st 2020 at 7:31:03 AM

I mean, even Logan himself believes that.

And with the way writers have made him a massive hypocrite, he's now more right than ever.

I think it's also supposed to be a bit depressing too.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#116528: Mar 21st 2020 at 9:18:39 AM

My general rule of thumb is that if something is liked primarily because it's "badass", it's generally lacking in other areas, especially class and respect.

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#116529: Mar 21st 2020 at 9:20:26 AM

People also seem to like Logan due to his tendency to hang around and mentor teen girls

So my thought is that Cyclops should mentor X-23. That'll show Logan.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#116530: Mar 21st 2020 at 9:31:38 AM

[up]I'm surprised they never had Scott bond with Surge. They're similar in that they both suffer Power Incontinence and Surge was involved in a Generation Xerox love triangle with Hellion and X-23.

[up][up] I know he gets a lot of (rightly deserved) criticism for hogging the spotlight, but Jackman's Wolverine was a nicer and deeper character than the walking parody of masculinity Logan was in the comics, especially in the 90s and 2000s. It is possible to make an interesting version of Logan who isn't just defined by his "badassitude".

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#116531: Mar 21st 2020 at 9:46:47 AM

The cartoons have been pretty good too with making Logan likeable,it's just the comic books which have had that problem

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#116532: Mar 21st 2020 at 9:58:56 AM

Well, except may Wolverine and the X-Men, where his Spotlight-Stealing Squad status reached an all time high.

Even with them having Logan consistently admit he was not a good leader (to the point where the future went to hell because of a decision he made), he was the weakest part of the show he was essentially headlining.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#116533: Mar 21st 2020 at 10:14:06 AM

[up][up][up]I agree. I was talking more stuff like Charlie Sheen, or liking something because "it's not politically correct", or stupid shit like that.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#116534: Mar 21st 2020 at 10:22:21 AM

My favorite version of Logan is probably the one from X-Men: Evolution.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#116535: Mar 21st 2020 at 10:24:59 AM

That show actually managed to know how to balance the spotlight with him.

Sure he had his spotlight episodes but he wasn’t always encroaching on the other characters.

Plus with Jean being an actual teenager on a kids cartoon, that meant no Wolverine trying to seduce her.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#116536: Mar 21st 2020 at 10:33:22 AM

Though Ultimate Xmen shows us that that won't necessarily stop him.sad

I'm willing to give 616 Logan enough credit that he would not have hit on a still Teenage Jean. He deserves that much.

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Foreign Troper
#116537: Mar 21st 2020 at 10:38:06 AM

[up] All New X-Men showed him at least having such thoughtstongue

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#116538: Mar 21st 2020 at 10:46:47 AM

Dammit Logan

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#116539: Mar 21st 2020 at 10:48:49 AM

More like

Lusty Logan

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#116540: Mar 21st 2020 at 10:49:57 AM

They can't quit while they are ahead, can't they? What next? Keep bringing up the Professor having inappropriate feelings for Jean?

Wake me up at your own risk.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#116541: Mar 21st 2020 at 10:53:42 AM

or mind controlling the Xmen

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#116542: Mar 21st 2020 at 11:51:18 AM

Logan and the Ephebophilic X-Men

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#116543: Mar 21st 2020 at 12:14:47 PM

All New X-Men showed him at least having such thoughts

It's like....the pedestal is already broken, but not they just want to turn the remains into dust as well.sad

You keep wanting to think better of some of these guys, and someone keeps dragging them farther down.

It's like writers want to make them radioactive.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#116544: Mar 21st 2020 at 12:21:44 PM

Well at least he was not as bad as Beast x) Who literally received an entire issue of a "The Reason You Suck" Speech by the friggin' Watcher because of how scummy he became.

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#116545: Mar 21st 2020 at 12:23:25 PM

[up]Did Beast subsequently fill his world with blue furry beast butt?

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#116546: Mar 21st 2020 at 12:33:43 PM

My favorite was when young Hank told Beast how much he sucked

Getting a reason you suck speech from yourself is pretty much as crushing as you can get

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#116547: Mar 21st 2020 at 12:35:30 PM

Marvel Studios is shutting down indefinitely:

https://www.cbr.com/marvel-studios-shuts-down-indefinitely-covid-19/

Really really disappointing, but health and safety come first.

I don't think we're gonna be seeing anything from Marvel for a long time

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#116548: Mar 21st 2020 at 1:30:37 PM

EDIT: The original article that reported this was taken down, apparently due to a crew member reaching out and disputing the announcement. So, I say it's not 100% confirmed yet.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Mar 21st 2020 at 4:34:22 AM

Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#116549: Mar 21st 2020 at 1:56:17 PM

Going back to X-Men Evolution Logan, I wonder if it's too late for the MCU to borrow the idea of him as a Howling Commando from that incarnation, if they were to add him (and other mutants) into the MCU.

Edited by Ayasugi on Mar 21st 2020 at 4:56:47 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#116550: Mar 21st 2020 at 2:12:40 PM

Sadly the best time to do that probably would have been back when they still had Chris Evans.

The same with the (sob) pipe dream of them making an Invaders movie.


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