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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#116501: Mar 20th 2020 at 4:40:42 PM

I disagree, I found his journey most fascinating. Sure, it was radical, but it didn't come out of nowhere. And it wasn't sudden either, it was the result of years upon years of terrible things happening to both him and his people, as well as growing responsibility.

He was basically the deconstruction of a Big Good. Because you can only shoulder that much responsibility for hundreds of people, in a world that despises you for so long before becoming bitter and disillusioned.

But even then, he took the time to do things like this for people who needed it.

Edited by Forenperser on Mar 20th 2020 at 12:44:24 PM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#116502: Mar 20th 2020 at 4:42:46 PM

Still, they better not start using him as a scapegoat or hypocritically hate him.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116503: Mar 20th 2020 at 4:43:39 PM

In fairness to Steve’s fortitude his thing hasn’t been the need to be in charge

He’s been able to let Thor or Tony or others run the Avengers and let him take a step back from that time to time

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 20th 2020 at 7:47:15 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116504: Mar 20th 2020 at 4:44:14 PM

He is without a doubt the greatest of the X-Men.

Even in an era where Wolverine's hypocrisy & moral weakness started infecting the other X-Men & turning them against him, he never let that stop him & always kept his eye on the ball.

Even when Beast foolishly pulled the O5 from the past just to guilt him, he never gave up.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#116505: Mar 20th 2020 at 4:45:18 PM

Oh yeah, that was most definitely annoying. Aaron in particular seems to have some serious hateboner for Scott and wants to blame him for everything bad that ever happened while trying to whitewash Logan.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116506: Mar 20th 2020 at 4:45:20 PM

Wow the X-Men, wow

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116507: Mar 20th 2020 at 4:47:15 PM

[up][up] Like portraying Scott as the badguy for wanting to teach the young Mutants how to fight despite that being the entire point of the X-Men since its inception.

Schism was fucking moronic. Everyone just became asinine hypocrites towards him.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 20th 2020 at 4:47:42 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#116508: Mar 20th 2020 at 4:50:06 PM

Specially when the only reaction of humanity towards mutants is to form a lynch mob or make killer robots. The MCU better scale that back or else that'll just really sour their movies.

Edited by Blueace on Mar 20th 2020 at 8:50:32 AM

Wake me up at your own risk.
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#116509: Mar 20th 2020 at 5:34:51 PM

There was a series of panels I'd seen where the X-Men were walking somewhere, and Magneto pulled Scott aside for a bit of honest conversation, and verbally ripped Scott a new asshole for getting drunk off power and getting Xavier killed, or something like that.

Was that an actual scene, or a fan edited one? I didn't remember where the story was, but I think it was after Phoenix!Scott.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116510: Mar 20th 2020 at 5:35:37 PM

Also amusingly enough the 4 major royal convoluted families of the MU, the House of Summers, the House of Magneto, the Inhuman Royal Family, & the House of Pym are all related through marriage.

So like Ultron is the son of Hank Pym who fathered Vision who married Magneto's daughter Scarlet Witch, whose brother Quicksilver married Crystal the cousin of Black Bolt & had a child with him meanining Magneto's granddaughter is Inhuman royalty & an Inhuman/Mutant hybrid. Then Cyclops whose family includes a space pirate dad, an evil alien overlord brother with a whole host of alternate timeline kids with Jean, her clone, & Emma Frost, has pretty much become the son Magneto always wanted whose other brother Havok was in a major romantic relationship with Magneto's other daughter Polaris.

What this means is..... family barbecue, Scott, Erik, Hank, & Bolt all fighting over who gets to be grillmaster all the while ignoring Ultron trying to kill everyone out of jealously for not having taste-buds or a movable mouth. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 20th 2020 at 5:36:08 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#116511: Mar 20th 2020 at 5:37:11 PM

[up][up][up] I think it's fair to say that X3: The Last Stand, Wolverine Origins, Apocalypse, and Dark Phoenix will suffice as a crash course for Marvel Studios on what NOT to do for an X-Men movie.

And where were we on hypothesizing the road map to the MCU's age of mutants? We know Falcon and Winter Soldier will feature Madripoor to some extent while WandaVision will establish S.W.O.R.D. and Wanda's name of the Scarlet Witch, but anything besides that is a blank apart from rumors and speculations?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 20th 2020 at 8:37:39 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#116512: Mar 20th 2020 at 5:39:19 PM

[up][up]Remember how Viv crashed when trying to explain how Billy and Tommy were related to Nadia? If someone tried to explain the whole family tree, get a padded room ready. Or another case of Ultron, depending on who it was.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#116513: Mar 20th 2020 at 5:43:26 PM

@ wanderlustwarrior

You mean this one? Genuine.

Though Magneto was obviously also affected a lot by his own emotions there.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#116514: Mar 20th 2020 at 5:44:13 PM

> Also amusingly enough the 4 major royal convoluted families of the MU, the House of Summers, the House of Magneto, the Inhuman Royal Family, & the House of Pym are all related through marriage.

Insert game of thrones/Song of ice and fire comparisons here

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116515: Mar 20th 2020 at 5:45:09 PM

[up][up] Now that’s a true father/son relationship right there. Dad giving his son a much needed pep talk.

Pietro sadly was always a fucking disappointment. tongue

[up] A Song of Robots & Punches from the Punch Dimension.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 20th 2020 at 5:48:50 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#116516: Mar 20th 2020 at 5:47:30 PM

in the inhumans are the Targarians clearly

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#116517: Mar 20th 2020 at 5:49:00 PM

> House of Summers, the House of Magneto, the Inhuman Royal Family, & the House of Pym family barbecue with Scott, Erik, Hank, & Bolt arguing over who gets to be grill-master.

Best. Mental image. EVER.

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#116518: Mar 20th 2020 at 6:12:38 PM

Don't forget every mythological pantheon exists in the Marvel universe, and canonically every primordial mother goddess in every mythology is a different aspect of the same goddess, so every single god in the marvel universe is part of one incredibly tangled family tree and I bet that tree is connected to the Pym-Summers-Maximoff tree in at least a few places.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#116519: Mar 20th 2020 at 6:55:45 PM

@Forenperser: Yeah, those were the panels, though I get this weird feeling I'm remembering an edited version of that.

Regarding the families, the trope was on this site was originally named Summers Family Tree for a reason. And even the page image added to the bizarre humor.

But then again, I guess those interconnected families in positions of power are true to life. I just found out one of those senators insider trading for profit off of coronavirus is married to the chairman of the New York Stock Exchange.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Mar 20th 2020 at 9:18:36 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#116520: Mar 20th 2020 at 7:15:53 PM

Speaking of Scott and Magneto. This.

My various fanfics.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116521: Mar 20th 2020 at 7:16:15 PM

Burn

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#116522: Mar 20th 2020 at 10:37:45 PM

Like portraying Scott as the badguy for wanting to teach the young Mutants how to fight despite that being the entire point of the X-Men since its inception.

Schism was fucking moronic. Everyone just became asinine hypocrites towards him.

In fairness, not wanting kids to be involved such a dangerous life is very reasonable (especially when you take into account how many teenagers in the X-books alone have died).

Too bad Logan didn't stick to his guns and have them live normal lives.

[up][up] Thanks for ruining that word for us Charlie Sheen.

Edited by windleopard on Mar 20th 2020 at 10:39:49 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116523: Mar 20th 2020 at 10:41:08 PM

Good old Wolverine hypocrisy there.

He does not have the strength of will or intelligence to be leading the Mutants. The only thing he will ever be good for is killing people.

[up] Wait how’d he ruin that word?

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 20th 2020 at 10:42:09 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#116524: Mar 20th 2020 at 10:48:58 PM

In 2011, Sheen lost his role on Two and a Half Men after making insulting comments about the show's creator, Chuck Lorre. After this, he made a number of interviews where he referred to himself as a "warlock with tiger blood" and claimed he was "winning". Both of these became memes for quite some time.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116525: Mar 20th 2020 at 10:49:56 PM

............. To think my father looks up to this man & uses his name as a synonym for badass.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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