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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#116476: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:04:04 AM

That could also lead to an Alpha Flight series, since one of Purple Man's kids is a heroine connected with that team.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116478: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:05:10 AM

I can imagine it now, a super wedding, superhero baby showers, superhero babysitter auditions with a cameo by Deadpool that ends in Squirrel Girl being hired, Danny being Dani's Godfather & I believe namesake, & all the funny & heartwarming escapades in Luke & Jess of all people raising a child together all the meanwhile managing their respective detective/mercenary business, it be fun. tongue

[up] That is hilarious. [lol]

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 20th 2020 at 12:07:33 PM

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#116479: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:05:20 AM

It would take so much set-up, but to have tge proper dynamic between the rich but empty Danny Rand and the hard lived but fulfilled Luke Cage would be oh so nice.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Mar 20th 2020 at 3:08:31 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#116480: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:06:48 AM

[up][up] Don't forget the part where their daughter comes back from the future!

Oh, man. Since they have no obstacles now, they should do a plot where like everyone who could come back from the future does.

So not just Danielle Cage, but Bishop, and Cable, Loki and Kang, and I dunno Franklin Richards or something. And they're all trying to avert a completely different disaster, except Kang who's trying to cause one. Confuse everybody!

  • Bruce: "Wait, we already did this. Time travel doesn't work that way!"
  • Kang, Amid a Council of Kangs: "Nah."

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 20th 2020 at 12:09:52 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116481: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:10:03 AM

Just imagine the family photo, Luke & Jess holding a baby Dani with Danny making a funny face, Doreen surrounded by squirrel's, & a future adult Captain America Dani raising the shield.

[up] Damn they really do have everything now.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 20th 2020 at 12:10:28 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116482: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:16:23 AM

I have a theory about time travel. You see, in Endgame, time travel works by splitting off to various branches, meaning you can't actually change time. But in Loki, we know that the Time Variance Authority shows up and they are like the Time Police, but why do you need Time Police if you can't change time?

Because you can! Agents of SHIELD already did in Season 5 — they just did it without an Infinity Stone, which is what was creating the branches in Endgame. And AOS Season 7 is going to be all about time travel, since apparently Fitz and Simmons's mind clones were able to come up with time travel so the Chronicoms could use it.

So at the end of Season 7, as everyone else goes off to retire (or join SWORD or whatever) Fitz and Simmons realize that they need to make sure nobody else messes with the timeline like the Chronicoms did and they need to be responsible for the time travel since they created it. "We need to create some sort of authority on time travel," Simmons states.

"Yeah," Fitz says. "An authority to stop any time variances."

Boom. There you go.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 20th 2020 at 12:20:06 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#116483: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:25:47 AM

I can't wait for the Loki show for that reason. I'm sure that's where they're finally going to (try to) give us a stable set of rules for all this.

Though I don't mind if the explanation is that different types of time travel have different rules. Them going "if you time travel like this you can't change the past, but if you time travel like this you can" makes sense to me, as long as the methods are sufficiently different. They should do that with Kang no matter what: have his tech be so advanced he just doesn't have the same restrictions.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116484: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:26:20 AM

One thing I like about Cable in Deadpool is that his name is Nathan Summers meaning his parents are most likely Cyclops & Jean Grey, averting the fear that they would have changed his dad into being Wolverine.

It can be assumed if Cable's parentage is ever outright acknowledged it will be simplified into being the son of regular Jean Grey, not her clone.

Hey the Loki show is the perfect opportunity to reintroduce Cable if they want.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 20th 2020 at 12:26:57 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116485: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:28:38 AM

One thing I like about Cable in Deadpool is that his name is Nathan Summers meaning his parents are most likely Cyclops & Jean Grey, averting the fear that they would have changed his dad into being Wolverine.
I mean, his name is Nathan Summers in the comics, too, but his mom is Madelyn Pryor.

Well, she's his biological mom. The people who raised him were still Scott Summers and Jean Grey. Well, their minds which had been thrust a thousand years into the future into different bodies, but it was still them and they raised Cable for, like, ten years. Also, it was their honeymoon.

Look, comics are weird.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116486: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:34:58 AM

All that matters is Wolverine did not conceive a child with Jean Grey.

Everything else is secondary.

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#116487: Mar 20th 2020 at 7:55:57 AM

What’s funny is that Jean Gray went “my baby now” on Nathan when Madeline was still alive and having an emotional murder breakdown over Jean taking everything from her

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#116488: Mar 20th 2020 at 8:52:04 AM

In fairness, you lose any right to call yourself a parent when you try to sacrifice your own child to demons.

Don't even get me started on Madelyne's "romance" with Nate Grey who is an alternate universe version of her son.

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#116489: Mar 20th 2020 at 8:57:34 AM

Oh writers, what situation won’t you make worse?

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#116490: Mar 20th 2020 at 9:07:35 AM

In fairness, I wouldn't blame movie writers for just saying "screw it," snip out Cyclops/Madelyne equaling Cable, and making it Cyclops/Jean equals Cable.

Heck, if Marvel went through a mass reboot, I wouldn't be surprised if a writer just said "in the future, Cyclops and Jean have a kid named Nathan, who will call himself Cable. I have spoken, end of story."

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#116491: Mar 20th 2020 at 9:16:07 AM

It’d really simplify things and remove a section of plot where Cyclops. Didn’t come off so well

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#116492: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:06:05 PM

I know why I stopped reading comics.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116493: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:06:38 PM

No way in Hell are they gonna adapt the Inferno & Madelyn stuff.

That’s exactly the kind of convoluted stuff they don’t adapt to the movies.

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Disasturbator
#116494: Mar 20th 2020 at 12:14:07 PM

[up]

They adapted Civil War and that was bonkers,I think its easier to assume the adaptions will be very in name only,no resemblance to the actual comic book storylines

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#116495: Mar 20th 2020 at 2:57:35 PM

At least Civil War was a rather simple concept that comics screwed up due to too many writers and not enough oversight. This whole mess could be skipped without trouble, and if it wasn't skipped, could be handled in like two lines.

Cyclops: Why is your future mother not my wife?
Cable: I dunno, I didn't ask a lot of questions about the sex lives of my parents.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#116496: Mar 20th 2020 at 3:03:03 PM

If anything, I want Cyclops to blast Captain America, both literally and verbally. Or use his favorite frying pan tongue

Edited by Forenperser on Mar 20th 2020 at 11:10:31 AM

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Funny but not helpful
#116497: Mar 20th 2020 at 3:10:24 PM

Steve: "You misunderstand. Logan is a hot killer." -bites lip- "Very hot."

Cyclops: "ffs"

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116498: Mar 20th 2020 at 4:33:34 PM

I am rather hoping that when Cyclops appears he is portrayed as the X-Men's own Captain America.

A righteous leader with an unbreakable fortitude who functions as a singular point to rally & lead the X-Men.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#116499: Mar 20th 2020 at 4:34:47 PM

Even at his lowest, this was always his defining ability.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#116500: Mar 20th 2020 at 4:36:45 PM

I just want a Cyclops that isn't a fuckup. It's been about 20 years since that's happened.

The legend has returned.

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