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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#116426: Mar 18th 2020 at 7:04:52 AM

Yeah both Iron Fist 2, as well as Luke Cage 2 had horribly open endings. Daredevil 3 to a slightly lesser degree.

Only Punisher 2 and Jessica Jones 3 had good, conclusive endings.

A shame, really.

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#116427: Mar 18th 2020 at 7:34:54 AM

Weren't those the two written knowing that there would be no more? Instead of trying to leave a hypothetical next season open.

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#116428: Mar 18th 2020 at 8:23:04 AM

Luke Cage's ending feels especially sad.

As it is, with no follow-up, it's essentially a downer ending.

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#116429: Mar 18th 2020 at 10:09:49 AM

My reaction to the realizing The Hand were coming to the Netflix Marvel Universe: "Holy shit, we're getting the magic ninjas. I thought those guys were unfilmable!"

My reaction to watching The Hand in the Netflix Marvel Universe: "Goddammit, can we just stop with the magic ninjas already? Apparently these guys are unfilmable."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 18th 2020 at 11:13:14 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#116430: Mar 18th 2020 at 10:13:46 AM

I often say that the almost surreal thing is that they're a pretty accurate representation of what they are in the comics. It's just that the Netflix adaptation took them so faithfully that it tripped on the curtain and revealed that the Hand was always a generic, two-dimensional collection of vaguely ethnic stereotypes (at best) that runs on Rule of Cool.

It's a pretty funny case of something not working in a adaptation because it was too faithful.

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#116431: Mar 18th 2020 at 10:14:14 AM

when is the Foot clan going to show up

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#116432: Mar 18th 2020 at 10:18:52 AM

[up][up] They're not even that cool though. If they did run on Rule of Cool that would at least be something.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#116433: Mar 18th 2020 at 10:27:33 AM

To be fair a couple members of the Hand were good, like Nobu and Gao. It's just the organization as a whole doesn't work.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 18th 2020 at 12:30:51 PM

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#116434: Mar 18th 2020 at 10:30:43 AM

[up] Wasn't Gao kinda retconned to be a member of the Hand? She doesn't come off as one during the first season of Daredevil.

Edited by GNinja on Mar 18th 2020 at 5:31:27 PM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#116435: Mar 18th 2020 at 11:19:34 AM

NVM

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 18th 2020 at 5:14:11 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#116436: Mar 18th 2020 at 12:38:25 PM

...Why was Luke in prison again?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#116437: Mar 18th 2020 at 1:03:50 PM

There’s a reason why the Hand is always working under other characters like Kingpin.

They are not bosses, they are subordinates.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116438: Mar 18th 2020 at 1:59:11 PM

Luke wasn't in prison, he was the new Kingpin of Harlem.

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#116439: Mar 18th 2020 at 2:04:36 PM

I thought the ending of Luke Cage Season 2 was fantastic.

The problem is that there was no season 3.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#116441: Mar 18th 2020 at 5:20:50 PM

To be fair, the events of Infinity War / Endgame provide the perfect opportunity for a sort of Soft Reboot.

They all died and now kinda have to start fresh again.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#116442: Mar 18th 2020 at 11:07:09 PM

We do at least see Luke in Jessica Jones' third season, and he hasn't gone off the deep end... yet.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#116443: Mar 19th 2020 at 8:44:04 AM

Thinking back to how SWORD will be a thing as of WandaVision, in light of how it was off-limits due to Fox having dibs on it before the Disney-Fox buyout, it would be funny if they made an in-joke about why they couldn't use the name until now. Something like:

Someone: So what's SWORD short for?
Someone else: The Sentient World Observation and Response Department.
Someone: How come it took so long for us to use that name? Sounds like something we should've had since the Kree/Skrull incident of '95 at the earliest.
Someone else: From what I heard, a lot of paperwork was involved to get the okay to use the initials.
Someone: Seriously? Who else really wanted their initials to spell SWORD?
Someone else: No clue. But whoever they were, they weren't even doing anything with it anyway...

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#116444: Mar 19th 2020 at 8:06:52 PM

Though this is assuming the MCU won't give Luke Cage a hard reset or whatever.

They kind of have to.

The deal was that they don't use any versions of the characters for two years, and don't use the Netflix specific versions of the characters ever.

So none of these characters or their plots are going to be the same. I'd be shocked if they could even get the same actors back.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 19th 2020 at 8:07:12 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#116445: Mar 19th 2020 at 8:12:42 PM

The deal was that they don't use any versions of the characters for two years, and don't use the Netflix specific versions of the characters ever.

Wait...what?

I knew about the first part, but I never heard the second. Why would that part even exist?

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#116446: Mar 19th 2020 at 8:17:18 PM

wild mass guessThe Defenders all got snapped, and when Hulk brought them back they Came Back Wrong.wild mass guess

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#116447: Mar 19th 2020 at 8:23:48 PM

Why would that part even exist?

Because Netflix still owns the shows.

To be more accurate, the deal wasn't specifically that Marvel can't continue the Netflix series, because that part doesn't have to be stated. Netflix owns those versions of the characters no matter what, and in order to continue those specific stories Marvel would have to buy the shows off them - which they're unlikely to ever do since they could just do whatever they want with the characters themselves. It's like how having tv rights to Spider-Man doesn't give them the rights to every show Spider-Man was ever in (they have a chunk of them now due to the Fox buyout, but they don't have Spectacular).

So the question of "is Luke Cage / Daredevil / etc coming back to the MCU?" is more like "is the MCU going to make their own version of Luke Cage / Daredevil / etc?"

I'm assuming they're just going to Broad Strokes any past exploits when the characters do inevitably show up, and never go into any detail.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 19th 2020 at 8:33:15 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116448: Mar 19th 2020 at 8:29:57 PM

This will definitely give them incentive rebuild Danny from the ground up

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#116449: Mar 19th 2020 at 8:54:29 PM

I've always found a fool's errand how people want the actors back. I'd love to see them back, but even if they somehow can return, what is the actual point if basically everything about them can never be referenced or brought up?

From a business perspective Marvel has very little incentive to actually bring them back. It's basically more trouble than it's worth.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116450: Mar 19th 2020 at 9:42:43 PM

The deal was that they don't use any versions of the characters for two years, and don't use the Netflix specific versions of the characters ever.
No, the second part was never part of the deal. Marvel can definitely use the Netflix versions of the characters, the question will be if they want to, considering that all those shows are on, you know, Netflix.

Because Netflix still owns the shows.
Netflix owns the shows, but not those specific characters. Hence why Marvel can still use the Netflix characters. It's like Crisis on Infinite Earths using the character Lucifer, even if the show Lucifer is on Netflix.

Netflix owns those versions of the characters no matter what
They do not. They own the shows, not the characters. If Marvel wanted to use Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock, they could (after the requisite two years has passed). The question is if they want to.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 19th 2020 at 9:43:27 AM


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