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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#116201: Mar 7th 2020 at 12:34:13 PM

[up][up]Yep Alfred Molina is great.

Though as much as I love Ledger I don't think he's the definitive version of the Joker. Maybe in live action, but Hamill is above him. He was great in the role.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 7th 2020 at 2:38:41 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#116202: Mar 7th 2020 at 12:53:55 PM

Mark Hamill is in a league of his own, comparing any Joker actor to him, both live action or voice, is unfair.

Just like Kevin Conroy and Batman.

Edited by Forenperser on Mar 7th 2020 at 11:38:31 AM

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#116204: Mar 7th 2020 at 2:14:44 PM

Or Clancy Brown as Les Luthor.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#116205: Mar 7th 2020 at 2:19:02 PM

[up]The jokes with that typo write themselves. No offense.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#116206: Mar 7th 2020 at 2:22:13 PM

Damnit, I thought I made a typo, but I thought it was somehow with the word "as", so it just bothered me in the back of my mind.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#116207: Mar 7th 2020 at 4:11:45 PM

My favorite live-action Joker would actually probably be Jack Nicholson. Heath Ledger's technically pulling the stronger performance but in terms of capturing the spirit of the Joker as I see it, I think Nicholson is closer ("I now do what other people only dream. I make art until someone dies. See? I am the world's first fully functioning homicidal artist." is just a brilliant Joker-like quote).

The raimi trilogy had some very good casting, to be honest. Willem Dafoe, Alfred Molina and Thomas Haden Church all did fantastic jobs with their characters and the first two I'd consider practically unreachable in terms of definitive live-action versions. Only really dropped the ball with Venom, sadly.

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#116208: Mar 7th 2020 at 4:42:42 PM

I do miss the Raimi movies. It always felt like they really cared about their villains (venom aside), in a way the MCU movies sometimes don't. Granted, the MCU will also sometimes knock it out of the park.

I wonder if this is because Spiderman has such a great, distinctive rogue's gallery that it's really hard to screw them up.

Edited by GNinja on Mar 7th 2020 at 1:00:01 PM

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#116209: Mar 7th 2020 at 4:55:45 PM

[up][up] To be fair while the casting was bad, the effects and look were great. It's just hard to remember when they keeping feeling the need to show you his regular face.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#116210: Mar 7th 2020 at 7:36:53 PM

I personally didn't mind skinny Venom, probably because I hadn't read many comics before the movies. I can see why fans of the original character were upset. The Executive Meddling was pretty clear, and I think they did a decent job fitting him into the movie considering that he wasn't part of the plan.

I'm curious if we'll actually see MCU Spidey and Sony's Venom crossover.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#116211: Mar 7th 2020 at 7:52:17 PM

I heard at one point, Spider-Man 3 was going to be split into two films, and I think that would've solved a lot of problems. Apparently they scrapped the idea because they couldn't think of a good conclusion for part one, but I personally would've chosen Peter getting rid of the symbiote and it attaching to Brock. It ends the film with Peter reaching his lowest point and start his way to crawling back out, as well as leaving it on a good cliffhanger ending. For part two, you give Venom his time to shine, and give all the subplots more breathing room.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Mar 7th 2020 at 10:52:40 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#116212: Mar 8th 2020 at 8:05:25 AM

In spite of the costume, Willem Dafoe is the best Green Goblin bar none.

The legend has returned.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116213: Mar 8th 2020 at 8:17:51 AM

He's Willem goddamn Dafoe, of course he's the best. Sony should just bring him back as Norman Osborn, like they did with J Jonah Jameson. Don't even put him in the Goblin costume or anything, like have Willem Dafoe show up.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#116214: Mar 8th 2020 at 9:00:06 AM

Says a lot that his real face is scarier than any mask could be.

Wake me up at your own risk.
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#116215: Mar 8th 2020 at 9:07:01 AM

That is so mean dude

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#116216: Mar 8th 2020 at 9:30:41 AM

He means it in the best way.

The legend has returned.
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Funny but not helpful
#116217: Mar 8th 2020 at 10:34:53 AM

Hard disagree. Steve Blum. Knocked it out of the park and into space

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#116219: Mar 8th 2020 at 10:39:47 AM

I think it's entirely fair. The main difference between Spectacular Spider-Man and many other Spider-Man adaptations is that Spectacular was really good.

I don't see why "really good" should be considered a disqualifying factor.

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Enid Sinclair
#116220: Mar 8th 2020 at 10:40:35 AM

[up][up] That reminds me that I still need to watch that show. I've only ever saw episode.

[up] I mean the Rami and MCU films are really good as well. Into the Spider-Verse is my favorite thing with Spider Man in general. The Animated Series as well. So I don't think being really good is that unique

Edited by Bullman on Mar 8th 2020 at 12:53:21 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#116221: Mar 8th 2020 at 10:48:31 AM

Ah don't remind me. That this masterpiece had to be cancelled with such a cliffhanger for the piece of crap that is Ultimate Spider-Man.

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Enid Sinclair
#116222: Mar 8th 2020 at 10:51:45 AM

I sometimes feel alone in actually liking Ultimate Spider-Man. At least the second season onwards that is. I mean is it perfect no, but I find it harmless fun and there are worse shows.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 8th 2020 at 12:54:30 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116223: Mar 8th 2020 at 10:57:06 AM

There's also Marvel's Spider-Man which also pretty mediocre for the most part.

As it turns out its not the best idea to start out your show with like 4 spider-people all at the age because it rather dilutes each individual's distinctiveness.

Like if Spidey hasn't been spidering for several years then it kinda takes a lot of the bite out of him being a mentor to Miles.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#116224: Mar 8th 2020 at 11:06:53 AM

Ultimate Spiderman very much Grew the Beard in later seasons, though it was still ULTIMATELY lacking.

Marvel's Spiderman has some stuff I like, but after a while I lost interest because it wasn't letting stuff happen naturally (as well as buggering the Peter / Miles relationship like [up] pointed out).

There have been a lot of good Spider shows and media besides Spectacular (the first two movies for one). Spectacular worked because of the time it aired, where Peter as a Teenager was a thing that hadn't really been explored since...well since he actually was a teenager. The thing is, once Miles came into existence, that time died a brutal death. You didn't need to bother with Teenage Peter, because now you had Miles. Teenage Peter was pointless. Disney and Marvel don't understand that though.

If we ever had a series like Spectacular Spiderman again, it should be Miles doing it. T'is a shame, because I like Peter in all his eras (teenager, College student, married) and I think all aspects of his history should be acknowledged.

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#116225: Mar 8th 2020 at 11:10:46 AM

With enough spiders men we can cover all the eras

Teen Miles, married Peter, spider Gwen college student?

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