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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#116176: Mar 6th 2020 at 4:40:25 PM

[up] So Batman lives long enough to see himself become the villain. tongue

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#116177: Mar 6th 2020 at 4:41:59 PM

Any speculation who could it be?

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#116178: Mar 6th 2020 at 4:50:08 PM

Gorr seems to be the obvious pick, but it might be hard to sell him as "the God-Butcher" when Thor's the only Norse god left. They might have to introduce a whole new pantheon just to hype him up.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#116180: Mar 6th 2020 at 4:54:15 PM

Maybe he'll just have the name and be someone who's been successfully hunting various Asgardians down throughout the past, and now that New Asgard has been established after the fall of the original, he's out to finish the job. It could even be done as further means of reckoning for the Asgardians' colonialist past.

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#116181: Mar 6th 2020 at 5:47:17 PM

Could be Beta Ray Bill. Maybe? Maybe?

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#116182: Mar 6th 2020 at 5:49:20 PM

Doing the God butcher stuff now would be a bit weird. I feel like if they were going to do that at all it should have been in Ragnarok (as has been pointed out many times, Hela's powers are even kinda similar to Gorr).

That being said, if Bale is playing Gorr then that's pretty good casting and given the right material, he could be legitimately terrifying.

Also this is now the second former Batman to become a villain in the MCU.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Mar 6th 2020 at 10:00:35 AM

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#116183: Mar 6th 2020 at 5:58:23 PM

[up][up]Bill's not a villain. His whole shtick is that he's also worthy of Mjolnir.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#116184: Mar 6th 2020 at 6:06:01 PM

Bucky and Falcon:

Speaking of Songbird, I have a theory of how her role in history will be.

She is a member of a group of female thieves, but pitifully in an assault that goes wrong, her companions are killed by the U.S. Agent.

Then, to avenge the death of her companions, she decides to ally with Zemo, because they both share the pain of losing their loved ones because of the "heroes."

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Mar 6th 2020 at 6:07:15 AM

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#116185: Mar 6th 2020 at 8:53:53 PM

I really hope he's Dario Agger.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#116186: Mar 6th 2020 at 9:03:56 PM

Does the antagonist have to be a villain in the traditional sense?

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#116187: Mar 7th 2020 at 6:09:05 AM

Strictly speaking no but if we have a Hero Antagonist and Thor remains also a hero (which of course he will) then more than likely there will be a third, villainous party to manipulate or cause the clash between the two. For example Zemo in Civil War didn't really fight either Cap or Tony but was the instigator of their fighting each other.

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#116188: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:06:14 AM

So I'm watching the mid 2000's Fantastic Four movie.

....Should I be lynched for thinking that even with all the flaws the movie had, they kinda got the Ben's issues right...and even got the four as a whole right?

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#116189: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:08:29 AM

No. The first one is... fine. It's fine. Ignoring Doom, everything else is alright.

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#116190: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:11:22 AM

....Should I be lynched for thinking that even with all the flaws the movie had, they kinda got the Ben's issues right...and even got the four as a whole right?

Yep. That's a paddlin'.

Not because you're enjoying Fantastic Four, mind, but for playing the, "Am I a bad person for having a personal opinion that deviates from the norm?" card. tongue

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#116191: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:16:40 AM

Like what ya wanna want fam.

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#116192: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:17:05 AM

I'm thinking that Doom might be hard to do an origin story of. He works best as a larger than life figure, and while there's an argument for not getting too wrapped up in the mystique he's created for himself, I do think actually seeing him progress from a normal guy to full-blown supervillain kind of makes it difficult to accept the whole Doom image. If you want to go with a "Doom's not as cool as he thinks he is", that's fine, but I think that's something you want to peel back his layers to get to, not something you start out with.

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#116193: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:21:07 AM

Think you can touch his concept properly. I mean, a tech super genius sorcerer dictator of a small country that's nonetheless so tough he could tell the Soviets and the USA to fuck off in the Cold War and has god knows how many robot doubles running around. Getting to that point seems difficult.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#116194: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:23:44 AM

Yep. That's a paddlin'.

Not because you're enjoying Fantastic Four, mind, but for playing the, "Am I a bad person for having a personal opinion that deviates from the norm?" card.

Fair enough.

<Breaks and burns paddle>

Now don't touch me.tongue

To be honest, I think I've always liked the first movie. Maybe even the second one. I think the four's base personalities are pretty easy to get: Reed's genius (and guilt) Ben's difficulty dealing with his situation, Johnny being a hot-headed but well meaning ass.

Sue...is harder. She's the most powerful member (and always has been, even if it took the writers a while to realize it), but what really defines her in that early time: her relationship with Reed....because if so, then ugh.

I'm not really sure what to say about her actually. I'd say she's better defined now, but I'm not sure what to say about her in those early days.

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#116195: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:28:56 AM

I’ve heard that Ben is the thing that the movie got really right and a lot of people wanted the actor to come back and do another better FF movie

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#116196: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:32:14 AM

I know those movies were far from comic accurate and got pretty cheesy, but they were a fun time. Especially compared to Fant4stic. Kind of a similar dynamic to the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy and the Amazing Spider-Man duology.

Not to say they couldn't have a better movie, but if that analogy holds true, I'd expect to feel lukewarm on an MCU adaption.

Edited by FGHIK on Mar 7th 2020 at 1:35:37 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#116197: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:36:08 AM

The guy who played Ben there really was absolutely perfect for the role.

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#116198: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:36:13 AM

I think the key is to brush past the origin as quickly as possible

Their origin took like a couple pages back in the day and a movie building up to that and having them learn their powers and all

You’re having to do that for four people. Skim past it

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#116199: Mar 7th 2020 at 11:37:59 AM

Alfred Molina as Doc Ock is really the definite version for me, even to this day (and yeah, I realize that he was much different from the comics, but so fucking what).

His performance is on the same level as Heath Ledger's Joker for me.

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#116200: Mar 7th 2020 at 12:04:17 PM

Plus you gotta dig his theme. Hmm-na, hmm-na! Hmm-na hmm-na!

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