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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116101: Mar 1st 2020 at 2:03:27 PM

The Hulk has bled a few times in prior films, so it's not impossible to cut his skin, it's just really hard.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#116102: Mar 1st 2020 at 2:06:54 PM

I have the theory that blood donation takes place before 2,008, so Bruce does not know that his blood was radioactive.

They could make Mark look younger with makeup or CGI and hire a teenager or young adult to play young Jennifer.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Mar 1st 2020 at 2:09:45 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116103: Mar 1st 2020 at 2:13:04 PM

Huh I found this clip of Odin declaring Thor unworthy.

This scene & Odin's reaction in general sure takes a lot more meaning after his past was revealed.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 1st 2020 at 2:29:53 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#116104: Mar 1st 2020 at 2:19:38 PM

Many may accuse him of hypocrite, but it is obvious that he did not want his children to end up becoming another Hela.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#116105: Mar 1st 2020 at 2:27:21 PM

Lets not act as if Hela being Thor's sister (or her entire character period) was even a planned thing back then.

But yeah, it was built up quite fittingly.

Edited by Forenperser on Mar 1st 2020 at 11:27:57 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116106: Mar 1st 2020 at 2:28:15 PM

Sometimes things work really good in retrospect thanks to retroactive continuity

Picking up plot crumbs and making something of them is a writing skill as well.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#116108: Mar 1st 2020 at 3:08:17 PM

There's a lot of stuff in the first Thor that is almost scary in how well it fits with the revelation in Ragnarok. Namely Laufey's entire character acquires a different, more tragic light and the scene near the end where Thor talks about how he wants to be just as good king as Odin and a very forlorn Odin responds he hopes he'll be better.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#116109: Mar 1st 2020 at 7:45:10 PM

Meh. I still say that if he was truly afraid of his sons turning out like his daughter then he did a really shit job of curbing it before they got out of hand. He didn't seem at all horrified when little Thor talked about killing all the monsters to be just like daddy, only gently admonishing him to not seek out a fight.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116110: Mar 1st 2020 at 7:47:55 PM

Okay it is hilarious how you only ever post just to complain about Odin. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#116111: Mar 1st 2020 at 7:50:31 PM

Am I not allowed to? Also, isn't there a rule or guideline about not turning the topic of discussion to a specific poster in works threads?

Edited by Ayasugi on Mar 1st 2020 at 10:52:47 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#116112: Mar 1st 2020 at 7:51:39 PM

Some of us fixate on Tony, some on Star-Lord, others on Wanda, or on Thanos, and now Odin too. evil grin

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#116113: Mar 1st 2020 at 7:53:46 PM

It’s very predictable.

I mean sure I have my characters I rag about but at least I can talk about other stuff.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#116115: Mar 1st 2020 at 7:59:49 PM

Which we also have a rule against.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#116116: Mar 1st 2020 at 8:02:51 PM

I mean, Odin is kind of a shit, even in his old age.

Edit: Granted, talking about something else once in a while might help integrate you into the forum.

Edited by fredhot16 on Mar 1st 2020 at 8:09:15 AM

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#116117: Mar 1st 2020 at 8:08:50 PM

I can buy Odin having fair enough intentions, but they were handily undermined by his sheer ineptitude as a ruler and father and how Asgard could not thrive merely on fair intentions.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#116118: Mar 1st 2020 at 9:27:33 PM

I talk about things besides Star Lord.

And I only half mock Tony. It's fun to pick on him for everything, even the stuff that isn't his fault.

....so....when will Mantis learn Kung Fu?

We need her to become the proper Celestial Madonna. Kung Fu Bug Lady needs to happen.

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116119: Mar 1st 2020 at 9:34:03 PM

Do weeee?

Everything about the Celestial Madonna prophecy was pretty bad except Mantis finishing it and going “oh cool i can live my life now”

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#116120: Mar 1st 2020 at 9:37:31 PM

....I don't really know the details.

I just know she knew Kung Fu. Add that to her empath powers, and people get rekt.

One Strip! One Strip!
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#116121: Mar 1st 2020 at 9:43:38 PM

Beef Mantis up, sure, but just from what I remember I'm not sure we need much of that Celestial Madonna stuff from the comics

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#116122: Mar 1st 2020 at 9:47:14 PM

Eh, fine.

That's what I get for not doing the research.

One Strip! One Strip!
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#116123: Mar 1st 2020 at 9:54:53 PM

Wasn't part of Mantis's "Celestial Madonna" arc about how she was destined to mate with a tree alien (not related to Groot) and give birth to the new celestial messiah or something?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#116124: Mar 1st 2020 at 9:57:15 PM

Yup

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116125: Mar 1st 2020 at 10:08:55 PM

She also had a double wedding with the Scarlet Witch.

To make a short story long: Mantis was a half-Vietnamese, half-German woman born in Vietnam and left by her father (the supervillain Libra) in the hands of the Priests of Pama, a Kree sect who believed that she was the Celestial Madonna who would eventuallyn mate with the eldest Cotati (tree being) on Earth and give birth to the Celestial Messiah. But they decided she needed to do some...stuff first, so they mindwiped her and sent out out in the world, where she became a prostitute (yikes) and the fell in love with the Swordsman. After a bunch of adventures with the Avengers, the Swordsman dies, though, before Mantis is told, again, that she's the Celestial Madonna and then she gets married to the Cotati who inhabits the Swordsman's dead body (double yikes) and then she leaves Earth. Next time she's seen, she has a son named Sequoia and her skin has turned green and she's grown antennae due to...living in space or something.

Oh, yeah, and she knew kung fu before all of that because she learned it from the Priests of Pama. I think. Look, her entire life was just a ton of Asian women stereotypes plus weird space mysiticism.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 1st 2020 at 10:11:59 AM


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