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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#116051: Feb 27th 2020 at 5:26:21 AM

That certainly does have some pretty big implications. Not least for the Black Widow movie if the spoiler character keeps his comic origin/nationality.

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#116052: Feb 27th 2020 at 7:29:43 AM

Before we start going down the wrong road here, it's important to note that what he actually said was that during the time that it looked like Sony and Marvel were done last year there was an actual plan to keep Holland's Spidey without the MCU connection (rather than Sony going off the cuff, like a lot of people thought) - before they changed things when the two companies started playing ball again, and that Holland thought that plan was a good one.

Yep. Which isn't "Tom Holland shares DEEP SONY SECRETS" like someone on the last page was panicking, because we knew this. Tom's sharing his perspective on old news.

We learned this back when the divorce was originally announced. The plan was that Sony would continue making Holland's Spider-Man films, but without any connections to the MCU. Sony never had any intention of scrapping Spider-Man and starting over fresh; they were going to make that third movie, with or without Marvel.

From the beginning, Sony's considered Holland's Spider-Man to have one foot in Marvel's universe and one foot in theirs. Amy Pascal imagined a sort of crossover situation, where Sony makes their own Spider-Verse films and Marvel makes their MCU films and Spider-Man is a nebulous connecting thread between the two, with his movies being canon to both cinematic universes.

This didn't work out at the time, because Kevin Feige vehemently nixed the idea. Publicly. It was very embarrassing and I have no doubt that the bad blood it created contributed to the initial decision to sever contracts.

So when Sony announced that they wanted to break up, they weren't saying, "I want to reboot Spider-Man and fire Tom Holland." They were taking Tom Holland and going home to make the Spider-Verse surrounding Homecoming and Far From Home that Feige said they couldn't make.

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#116053: Feb 27th 2020 at 8:36:52 AM

[up] But then Sony made the internet so mad that most tweets they made or retweeted were CRAWLING with begging/threatening replies to keep Spider-Man in the MCU.

Full disclosure: if Sony wants to make MCU-adjacent movies, I can allow it if it means Spidey stays, but they'd need a fact-checker so there's consistency going on. Because last I checked, the Daily Bugle was an internet news deal, not a newspaper. And the MCU is in 2023, not 2020. (I'd link to the actual Instagram post, but it looks like it got deleted due to the Continuity Snarl going on.)

RE: Omega Red in Falcon and Winter Soldier: It's 4chan, so there's a 80-90% chance it might be hokum. Plus, I was under the impression that Eternals would be the one to start showing hints of mutantkind. Though if filming for the show started on October 2019, when the Fox deal was done, it could be plausible that mutants DO start there. (Assuming Black Widow doesn't have some blink and you miss it foreshadowing regarding Omega Red and/or Weapon X or however he got his powers.)

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#116054: Feb 27th 2020 at 8:42:45 AM

"But then Sony made the internet so mad that most tweets they made or retweeted were CRAWLING with begging/threatening replies to keep Spider-Man in the MCU."

And this is apropos how or why?

Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 27th 2020 at 8:42:56 AM

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#116055: Feb 27th 2020 at 9:11:10 AM

[up] Because everyone agreed that Marvel and Sony having that divorce was not great? Probably should've elaborated a smidge. I know there were Zombieland: Double Tap and Charlie's Angels tweets that had nasty replies regarding Spider-Man.

Ultimately, Disney and Sony managed to kiss and make up and have it so Spidey gets one more movie to resolve that cliffhanger FFH ended on and have him appear in one more MCU thing we don't know about.

Thing is, we don't know really know all the details of this make-up deal, so the best we can do is see how Morbius and Venom 2 turn out.

EDIT: Really trying to see the bigger picture, fyi.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 27th 2020 at 12:12:20 PM

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#116056: Feb 27th 2020 at 9:13:10 AM

I was asking what the point of that was as a response.

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#116057: Feb 27th 2020 at 9:33:27 AM

[up] I was adding to this part of Tobias' post:

They were taking Tom Holland and going home to make the Spider-Verse surrounding Homecoming and Far From Home that Feige said they couldn't make.

EDIT: Cross-posting from the SUMC thread:

Looks like Disney abandoned that October 8, 2021 date they and Sony had dibs on.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 27th 2020 at 7:57:48 AM

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#116058: Feb 27th 2020 at 7:43:23 PM

Crazy rumor hit today for Captain Marvel 2 -

Henry Cavill to play...Wolverine.

I have doubt.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 27th 2020 at 10:43:42 AM

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#116059: Feb 27th 2020 at 7:44:56 PM

Isn't he a bit big for Logan?

I know we've forgotten due to Fox-verine, but Logan is supposed to be a tiny tiny short man.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#116060: Feb 27th 2020 at 7:49:58 PM

Yeah, I have my doubts about that:

  • First of all, Henry Cavill is probably pretty busy filming the second season of The Witcher.
  • Secondly, of all the characters to introduce in Captain Marvel 2, Wolverine is, uh, a weird one. Better characters to introduce would be Mystique and Rogue, who have actual connections to Carol, rather than Logan, who...was on the X-Men when Carol around.
  • Thirdly, I doubt they would introduce Wolverine so soon, before they even have an X-Men movie out.

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#116061: Feb 27th 2020 at 7:52:24 PM

Carol and Logan have history together pre-X-Men actually. They worked together as spies. Because of course.

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#116062: Feb 27th 2020 at 7:55:38 PM

Yeah, not taking that seriously.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#116063: Feb 27th 2020 at 8:11:22 PM

Henry Cavill as Wolverine?

(*repeatedly presses X to doubt*)

That said, I see him being Kraven. Or Colossus.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#116064: Feb 28th 2020 at 12:50:59 AM

Not another Hunkverine.

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#116065: Feb 28th 2020 at 12:55:15 AM

Danny Devito for Wolverine.

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#116066: Feb 28th 2020 at 1:02:28 AM

"That's my character! I'm the Wolverine! I come out, I pop claws— claws outta my knuckles! And then I start callin' people 'bub'!"

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#116068: Feb 28th 2020 at 3:34:12 AM

He should be the Kingpin,since he's pretty close to Marvel's equivalent of the Penguin

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#116069: Feb 28th 2020 at 5:26:53 AM

But guys, this means no one is going to complain when Cavill-Wolverine kills a crapload people and showing little concern over it [lol]

Edited by NoName999 on Feb 28th 2020 at 5:27:35 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#116070: Feb 28th 2020 at 5:44:19 AM

Though they might be confused by his actually being nice respectful of a woman's boundaries.

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#116071: Feb 28th 2020 at 6:36:38 AM

[up][lol]

Incidentally I think The Owl is the Marvel equivalent of The Penguin.

Although weirdly when I encountered him in Superior Foes of Spider-Man he reminded me a fair amount of DC’s Black Mask.

I guess there’s only so many ways to do millionaire playboy turned sadistic gangster.

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#116072: Feb 28th 2020 at 8:13:58 AM

Captain Marvel 2 seems to be the main target for character introduction rumors for some reason.

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#116073: Feb 28th 2020 at 8:15:46 AM

Because obviously Carol is the least interesting part of her movie. We can predict that from our privileged positions as misogynistic gods among men.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#116074: Feb 28th 2020 at 8:24:00 AM

Yeah misogyny sounds about right.

The sheer number of "Carol loses her powers to Rogue and goes into a coma for most of the movie" rumors is ridiculous.

Edited by LordVatek on Feb 28th 2020 at 11:57:41 AM

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#116075: Feb 28th 2020 at 8:27:21 AM

Well here’s the question. Is the idea that Carol is too much of a straight woman in her proverbial act that she needs another major introduction to bounce off of? Or is the idea that she can’t draw on her own, because clearly she can, and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. CM 1 made a billion dollars.

It’s definitely true that CM 2 seems to have the most rumors of new characters. And most seem to be mutants.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 28th 2020 at 11:28:05 AM


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