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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#115951: Feb 22nd 2020 at 9:48:28 AM

I don't see what the Avengers would be expected to do. You can't solve widespread prejudice by punching people really hard in the face, and that's pretty much all they're good at.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#115952: Feb 22nd 2020 at 1:21:37 PM

I mean, technically if you punched everybody on the planet fatally hard in the face, there'd be no more worldwide prejudice by definition?

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Feb 22nd 2020 at 4:24:38 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#115953: Feb 22nd 2020 at 1:36:27 PM

I know some of the X-Men have been members of the Avengers over the years. How did the public react to that? Did the Avengers have to put out statements that they support their mutant teammates, or was this a case where they had to hide it for the sake of good PR?

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#115954: Feb 22nd 2020 at 1:42:37 PM

At least in the Busiek run, people picketed the Avengers for having a mutant on the team.

The early runs didn't comment on it very much and it didn't seem like the public had a problem with it more than they had general problems due to their fickle whims. But the Avengers did fight Sentinels a couple times because of it.

Beast apparently was on the team during a time when the public was open to being mutant friendly. Very mutant friendly. Very mutant friendly.

He was mobbed by groups of horny women.

Edit: Oh right, there was a story where Magneto manipulated the anti-mutant sentiment to convince Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch to join him again. So it existed.

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 22nd 2020 at 4:49:34 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#115955: Feb 22nd 2020 at 1:53:54 PM

[up][up][up] Afair this was exactly one of the reasons the Avengers were criticized.

They only respond to the problem at hand, not the cause. They might help punch out the occasional Sentinel, but they don't address to root of the problem. I mean, it shouldn't be impossible, I don't see why superheroes can't be civil rights activist in addition to just soldiers.

I remember a storyline, X-Men vs Avengers (no, not that one), which had a very good story. Here is one of my favorite scenes https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/6222144.html?thread=173772096

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#115956: Feb 22nd 2020 at 2:07:36 PM

Man, that's some vintage cheese on a bronze-age platter.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115957: Feb 22nd 2020 at 2:09:37 PM

Old comics are an experience.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#115958: Feb 22nd 2020 at 2:23:05 PM

Like its like exposition dump lol

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#115959: Feb 22nd 2020 at 2:37:17 PM

Captain America: canonically unbiased against mutants

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#115960: Feb 22nd 2020 at 2:43:48 PM

Unless they're French mutants.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115961: Feb 22nd 2020 at 2:44:53 PM

And in that case only the Ultimate version.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#115962: Feb 22nd 2020 at 2:46:36 PM

There is no Ultimate edition,it never happened

just ask my pal jonathan frakes

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 22nd 2020 at 10:46:46 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#115963: Feb 22nd 2020 at 2:47:41 PM

Phew that sure was a weird shared hallucination we all had

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#115964: Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:19:57 PM

So are you guys saying Ultimate Spiderman never happened?

It may be hypocritical of me to say it (since I've often advocated throwing out bad parts of a characters history if they go against how that person usually is), but I won't forget the Ultimate Universe.

It also gave us Samuel L. Jackson Nick Fury. Y'all just gonna have to deal.

Afair this was exactly one of the reasons the Avengers were criticized.

They only respond to the problem at hand, not the cause. They might help punch out the occasional Sentinel, but they don't address to root of the problem. I mean, it shouldn't be impossible, I don't see why superheroes can't be civil rights activist in addition to just soldiers.

Well as I recall a wise Robert Downey Jr. character once said:

"We're the Avengers! Not the Pre-vengers!''

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#115965: Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:33:53 PM

Ultimate Marvel had good and bad, just like Mainstream Marvel.

People just tend to disproportionately focus on the bad stuff because of the Memes around it.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#115967: Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:35:26 PM

The reason for the whole Villains Act, Heroes React thing is that when they start shutting down people for potentially being a threat, you start getting into Beware the Superman territory. That's the in-universe reason, at least, the meta reason is it's easier to write.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#115968: Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:35:54 PM

[up][up][up][up]And he died in the end of the movie. How wise could he be?

Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:37:57 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#115969: Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:37:53 PM

[up]

Even a stopped clock can be right twice every day right?

I mean, yeah it's Tony Stark, and he not only probably stopped that clock, but convinced his owner to take vengeance on him, resulting in the deaths of many people, but still.

One Strip! One Strip!
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#115970: Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:38:55 PM

[up]And I'd rather use a clock that works. That lack of "pre-venging" didn't help anybody, didn't it?

Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:46:00 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115971: Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:41:22 PM

Think of it like this, Ultimate Spider-Man was the only consitantly good Ultimate comics.

On the other side of the spectrum ya got making every Avenger a fucking jackass, turning Wolverine into an attempted murderer just to bang an underage Jean Grey, Prof. X wanting to bang an under age Jean Grey, Nightcralwer being a homophobic religious fundamentalist, Magneto trying to kill the planet, etc.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#115972: Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:48:28 PM

Mr. Fantastic being evil, the Maximov twins being incestuous, Black Widow being an evil double-agent, Hulk being a cannibal...

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#115973: Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:49:58 PM

She Hulk being raped,the list goes on

Thankfully,it never happened,no way,total fabrication,we made it up

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115974: Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:51:46 PM

Its kinda funny.

Sure the normal Marvel U has a ton of bad dark shit but it took several decades for all that shit to accumulate into a mass of shit.

Ultimates equaled it in less than half a decade.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#115975: Feb 22nd 2020 at 3:52:17 PM

Wow.

Ultimate Peter Parker, Miles Morales and Black Nick Fury don't quite make up for all that shit do they?

I mean, I sometimes forget just how awful some of the stuff in the Ultimate Universe really was.

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