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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#115676: Feb 17th 2020 at 10:51:17 AM

[up]Age of Ultron pretty much turn tony change from Iron man 3 and turn against him, he goes from "im more than the suit" to "ALL THE WORLD NEED ONE"

is sad.

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#115677: Feb 17th 2020 at 10:53:22 AM

If I were to make some hints towards Ultron, I would've planted the seeds back in Iron Man 3. Have Tony realize that while the world still needs Iron Man, he doesn't need to be in the suit to do so. So the film ends with him keeping the Iron Legion and working on an AI program that can perform on the fly better than JARVIS could.

Then Age of Ultron could've started with Tony taking a back-seat role in running the Avengers and he only dons the suit again once Ultron goes sideways. I don't think you really needed Wanda to mess with Tony in-person to convince him to take Loki's scepter, and it would better tie-in the two films together.

You still see hints of that in the final film, but there's a lot of stuff you got to extrapolate from that. Like, why Tony decided to come out of retirement and why he rebuilt his suits after seemingly destroying them. I guess part of this could be blamed on Iron Man 3 being written as a finale to Tony's character because his contract was about to expire at the time. Of course, that's old news by now. So what are you going to do?

Ooo, I like that idea. I propose doing both (uh, via time traveling back to 2012, I guess?). Iron Man 3 sets up Tony's mindset for Age of Ultron, while the Clairvoyant story in Agents introduces the AI that will become Ultron itself.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 17th 2020 at 11:57:15 AM

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#115678: Feb 17th 2020 at 10:59:46 AM

I sometimes feel like I am the only one who actually likes MCU!Ultron. I mean everytime I look up something about the film. I find some video or article about how he's the worst MCU villain. I mean really when Malekith exists. I mean say what you will about the movie, but James Spader was great and really sold it.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#115679: Feb 17th 2020 at 11:02:06 AM

[up]He is a waste in general and for many is everything wrong with marvel villian: exist there just for the hero to look good and the tendecy of Lolhumor in order to distract the audience.

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#115680: Feb 17th 2020 at 11:31:43 AM

Ultron is not the low point of MCU baddies because he at least has a bit more interesting aspects to talk about than the likes of These Fucksᵀᴹ from Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 going for him. But I can't say he does it for me for a bunch of reasons, most glaringly of which is his annoying dialogue just undercuts his potential menace. And yeah I get that's sort of a reflection of Tony, but that doesn't do too much to alleviate it.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#115681: Feb 17th 2020 at 1:32:36 PM

Kang could be a recurring villain who becomes more powerful with every appearance.

In his first appearance he would be a little stronger than Loki, and in his last appearance he would be able to fight Thor, Carol, Wanda, Strange and Jane Foster at the same time.

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Ultron is not so bad, people exaggerate a lot with the character.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Feb 17th 2020 at 1:36:32 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#115682: Feb 17th 2020 at 1:38:33 PM

Ultron’s problem is that he was too weak.

If he was stronger he’d be a more improved character.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#115683: Feb 17th 2020 at 1:41:15 PM

Loki was also weak and still popular.

The problem that many people had was his personality.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115684: Feb 17th 2020 at 1:43:40 PM

That’s because Loki is a trickster character who plans his shit & falls apart when finally physically confronted which is a common depiction of the character. He’s not expected to be strong.

Ultron is always portrayed in every incarnation from comics to TV shows as a physical juggernaut capable of handing entire teams of Avengers their collective asses. He is very much expected to be strong.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#115685: Feb 17th 2020 at 1:51:08 PM

Even so the personality also influenced, being that many people accuse him of being Tony Stark but in evil, and they wanted him to be much more serious.

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#115686: Feb 17th 2020 at 1:55:32 PM

I actually find comics Ultron stories tiresome ever since he got Adamantium because it becomes the Avengers futilely banging their heads against a brick wall until someone comes up with a magic solution.

And usually a literal magic solution because for a while Wanda was the go-to.

I'd prefer a craftier Ultron who can't lean on because indestructible.

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#115687: Feb 17th 2020 at 2:10:31 PM

Ultron was actually fairly menacing in his first few scenes in the film, so it's a shame the rest of the movie didn't live up to that.

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#115688: Feb 17th 2020 at 2:14:14 PM

Loki as an Avengers villain worked for me because he initially kills a lot of people and manipulates all the heroes. It's only during the third act that he starts getting humiliated, and by then the buildup makes it cathartic.

Ultron, on the other hand, barely has a bodycount, is treated like a dork for most of the film, and by the time he actually does something significant like kill Quicksilver it's too late, his master plan has already failed.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 17th 2020 at 2:16:47 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#115689: Feb 17th 2020 at 2:26:24 PM

Aside from a couple characterization issues (although I admit I find a few of Ultron's quips legitimately funny), I think my biggest problem with Ultron are his motives are kind of muddled and require a few leaps to understand why he's doing what he's doing.

Ultron starts the film off believing the Avengers cause more problems than they solve; they're too reckless and strive to preserve the status quo than instigate real change. Okay, that's a good motive, I'm with him so far. So, what's his plan to change this? First it's to kill the Avengers, but then Ultron comes to the conclusion that humanity itself needs to change. And the only way to do that is by starting a mass extinction level event that will leave only a few people alive, and those that will survive will be stronger. Ultron intends to lead the survivors (that's why he built Vision in the first place), but once the Maximoffs abandon him, he seems to just want to kill everyone and rule the world with his army of drones.

There's a bit of jumps to see his chain of logic, and the best explanation of that is that he's just crazy. I think Ultron would've worked better as a twisted reflection of Tony's idea of "a suit of armor around the world", and that he should take over the world by force to instill world peace. It would better reflect the themes the film was going for regarding the line between heroes and monsters, and how the Avengers could slip by letting their moral values consume them.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#115690: Feb 17th 2020 at 9:25:07 PM

Randomly struck with the idea of Daniel Radcliffe as Otto Octavius, and now I can't get it out of my head.

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#115691: Feb 17th 2020 at 9:28:36 PM

Harry Otto and Even More Spiders.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#115692: Feb 18th 2020 at 2:33:16 PM

William Hurt will appear in She-Hulk as General Ross...and the Red Hulk?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 18th 2020 at 5:34:27 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#115693: Feb 18th 2020 at 2:42:46 PM

Makes sense. It's the first Hulk series in ages, so there's no way his archenemy's not going to get a full showing.

The thing I'd be surprised and interested in is if Betty showed up as Red She Hulk.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#115694: Feb 18th 2020 at 2:55:50 PM

Let's hope it goes better than the comics, where Red Hulk beats the shit out of the Watcher, Thor, and the Silver Surfer to prove how super duper awesome he is.

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#115695: Feb 18th 2020 at 3:02:30 PM

He'll beat peter parker instead

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#115696: Feb 18th 2020 at 3:30:28 PM

But will he keep his mustache this time?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115697: Feb 18th 2020 at 3:31:41 PM

That’s a different guy. tongue

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#115698: Feb 18th 2020 at 3:39:36 PM

Yes! I'm so happy that William Hurt is going to be Red Hulk. I've been wanting them to use more of Hulk's Rogues Gallery for a long time now.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#115699: Feb 18th 2020 at 4:18:02 PM

I hope they confirm the Leader and the abomination.


"Let's hope it goes better than the comics, where Red Hulk beats the shit out of the Watcher, Thor, and the Silver Surfer to prove how super duper awesome he is."

I guess he'll get a nerf, so that She-Hulk is able to beat him.

An example of "Tropes Are Not Bad" for Adaptational Wimp.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Feb 18th 2020 at 4:23:07 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#115700: Feb 18th 2020 at 5:08:39 PM

The thing I'd be surprised and interested in is if Betty showed up as Red She Hulk.

Or Harpy

Let's hope it goes better than the comics

Jeff Parker's run was great, so the comics were already "great".

But will he keep his mustache this time?

Like Maverick?

Edited by Cortez on Feb 18th 2020 at 9:21:56 AM


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