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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#115651: Feb 15th 2020 at 11:40:00 PM

I'd dig a movie in which a HYDRA agent ends up in a covert operation that gets ruined when the Hand, the Mandarin's group and - I dunno - the Maggia all show up trying to do the same exact thing. Hilarity and property damage ensues.

Come to think of it... seriously that would really work as the plot of an Ant-Man movie.

Like, to go with the heist/crime movie pastiches: everyone is trying to steal this one MacGuffin to rule the world, and Ant-Man and Wasp are out there trying to steal it from all these evil groups for justice's sake, resulting in a game of superpowered hot potato as someone steals it from someone else who stole it from another and so and so forth...

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 15th 2020 at 11:41:21 AM

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#115653: Feb 16th 2020 at 7:58:02 AM

Can it have a scene where a captured Scott manages to persuade one of the factions that he's actually a spy for another faction planted inside the Avengers, and therefore they can't touch him without upsetting the delicate balance between conspiracies?

Or, alternately, convinces said faction that he's a spy working for them?

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#115655: Feb 16th 2020 at 8:06:27 AM

They can use Deadpool now, right? Having Bob show up first might be a nice nod before Deadpool's official introduction.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#115656: Feb 17th 2020 at 4:13:11 AM

It looks like Loki will hold the distinction of setting up a Marvel character whose film rights were with Fox until Disney bought Fox.

IT'S KANG THE CONQUERER!!!

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#115657: Feb 17th 2020 at 4:16:11 AM

Alright whoever dislikes time travel start drinking in copious amounts. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 17th 2020 at 4:18:56 AM

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#115658: Feb 17th 2020 at 4:16:45 AM

ffs

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#115659: Feb 17th 2020 at 5:15:46 AM

I always thought Fox calling dibs on Kang despite him being an Avengers villain was screwy.

Yeah, he's related to Nathaniel Richards, but I bet they could've gotten around that somehow...

Or maybe they wanted to establish time travel before bringing up notorious timeline-abusing Kang into the mix.

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#115660: Feb 17th 2020 at 5:37:02 AM

Canon relationships never prevented the appearances of characters in the MCU, otherwise Wanda and Pietro would never have been there in the first place (by the way I do wonder, when the mutants are brought to the MCU if there will be some Retcon or Mythology Gag about that...)

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#115661: Feb 17th 2020 at 6:16:06 AM

I think Wanda and Pietro were a special case where the agreement explicitly singled out those characters as being included but not exclusive to the X-men franchise.

The Skrulls were also in the same boat, Fox has the rights to a few Skrull characters but the race as a whole was shared.

And of course regardless of what any agreement actually said, Marvel and Fox could always go to the table to negotiate a one-off agreement for a specific character. As what happened with Ego.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#115662: Feb 17th 2020 at 6:20:14 AM

[up][up]I still want Wandavision to bring back Quicksilver, but it ends up being Fox Quicksilver.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#115663: Feb 17th 2020 at 6:23:47 AM

[up] That'd be a great WTF moment that solidifies the universe-altering shenanigans WandaVision is promising us.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115664: Feb 17th 2020 at 7:26:32 AM

Also Kang isn't related to Reed Richard's father, Nathaniel. His name is Nathaniel Richards, but there hasn't been any reveal that they are related (although there has been speculation). Kang was claimed by Fox because "Rama-Tut" (another version of Kang) first appeared in an issue of FF.

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#115665: Feb 17th 2020 at 7:33:57 AM

Man, I kind of already want to see how the fans try to understand whatever the hell Kang does.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#115666: Feb 17th 2020 at 7:57:47 AM

I just go by his depiction in The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. That's a good place to start.

    Spoilers for above discussion, I guess 

Edited by chasemaddigan on Feb 17th 2020 at 10:59:27 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115667: Feb 17th 2020 at 8:11:22 AM

I would love to see an adaptation of The Kang War.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 17th 2020 at 8:11:48 AM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#115668: Feb 17th 2020 at 8:18:43 AM

I am surprised by the supposed villain of Loki.

When I thought of potential antagonists for loki, I thought of names like Amora, karnilla, another Loki, Cull Borson or Hela.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Feb 17th 2020 at 8:21:22 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115669: Feb 17th 2020 at 8:26:53 AM

It's just a rumor at the moment and I expect that it will just be a teaser, since I think they are going to save him for an actual Avengers film.

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#115670: Feb 17th 2020 at 9:00:00 AM

I thought he’d be the next Avengers-tier baddie but it works here.

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#115671: Feb 17th 2020 at 9:46:48 AM

Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang, the return of Vision, Billy and Tommy, now Nathaniel Richards, yes, the Young Avengers are definitely on the horizon.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 17th 2020 at 9:50:08 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#115672: Feb 17th 2020 at 9:50:49 AM

I always thought Fox calling dibs on Kang despite him being an Avengers villain was screwy.

It's really not. He's more of an Avengers villain, but he was part of the FF license because he originated in that title as Rama-Tut.

Edited by comicwriter on Feb 17th 2020 at 9:51:01 AM

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#115673: Feb 17th 2020 at 9:58:47 AM

The two are not mutually exclusive. He can be the villain here to build him up for an Avengers film.

I actually thought they were going to do that with Ultron way back in the day. When Agents was kicking around Centipede as the big plot and it was discovered that the Clairvoyant had access to S.H.I.E.L.D. files, I pegged the Clairvoyant as Ultron.

What I expected: Hank Pym, way back in the day, was a dude who worked for S.H.I.E.L.D. During that time, he designed an A.I. mainframe to help run S.H.I.E.L.D. operations. That mainframe is Ultron, and it's been running the whole Centipede shenanigans in secret using S.H.I.E.L.D. resources.

The Agents will discover this and have to find a way to take down the A.I. neural network that runs their whole organization. Probably utilizing Skye's hacker skills to do so. But they succeed, take down the Ultron network, and save the day.

Then along comes Avengers. Tony Stark accidentallies himself into discovering the code for Ultron and, not knowing what it is, introduces it to his own network. This provides Ultron with complete access to Stark's armory; its one weakness was an inability to directly influence the physical world, but now it locks Stark out of his own armory and uses his tech to build bodies for itself.

That's where I thought they were going with that. And to be honest, while the Hydra twist from Winter Soldier was pretty cool, I still wish the Clairvoyant had actually been a sort of EU lead-in to Ultron. Not required to understand the film, but providing that sort of supplemental origin for the AI villain.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 17th 2020 at 10:59:50 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#115674: Feb 17th 2020 at 10:48:10 AM

if we talk about colading conspiracy, it need a chararter who is working as double agent to ALL of them, trying to remenber the secret code of each one of them.

And in case of canon relationships....I have to remenber adam warlock, who now dosent have thannos here.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#115675: Feb 17th 2020 at 10:48:37 AM

If I were to make some hints towards Ultron, I would've planted the seeds back in Iron Man 3. Have Tony realize that while the world still needs Iron Man, he doesn't need to be in the suit to do so. So the film ends with him keeping the Iron Legion and working on an AI program that can perform on the fly better than JARVIS could.

Then Age of Ultron could've started with Tony taking a back-seat role in running the Avengers and he only dons the suit again once Ultron goes sideways. I don't think you really needed Wanda to mess with Tony in-person to convince him to take Loki's scepter, and it would better tie-in the two films together.

You still see hints of that in the final film, but there's a lot of stuff you got to extrapolate from that. Like, why Tony decided to come out of retirement and why he rebuilt his suits after seemingly destroying them. I guess part of this could be blamed on Iron Man 3 being written as a finale to Tony's character because his contract was about to expire at the time. Of course, that's old news by now. So what are you going to do?

Edited by chasemaddigan on Feb 17th 2020 at 1:54:14 PM


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