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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#115626: Feb 15th 2020 at 3:22:58 PM

The prison episode was my favorite. Bernthal and D'onofrio were just 100% awesome in their respective roles.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#115627: Feb 15th 2020 at 3:44:10 PM

The only Hand member I actually like was Nobu. I don't know why, but I just liked the fights with him.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#115628: Feb 15th 2020 at 4:58:55 PM

He also had a bit of an actual personality, even if it mostly revolved around him being a dick.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115629: Feb 15th 2020 at 4:59:48 PM

Who doesn't love a good dick? tongue

Sometimes that's all you need to be especially for a bad-guy.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#115630: Feb 15th 2020 at 5:00:13 PM

For me it's Madame Gao (though her being part of the Hand is clearly a bit of Arc Welding). Her actress really sells the menace.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#115631: Feb 15th 2020 at 5:06:49 PM

The Nobu fights are all really good. The rooftop battle at the end of Season 2 is spectacular and one of my favorite fight sequences.

His boss Murakami meanwhile is kind of a waste.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Feb 15th 2020 at 8:09:50 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#115632: Feb 15th 2020 at 5:09:28 PM

The Hand in DD Season 2 was certainly more engaging than in IF Season 1 and Defenders.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#115633: Feb 15th 2020 at 5:34:35 PM

[up][up][up] Oh yes, Madame Gao was the best. One of my favorite parts of Defenders was her having a pleasant chat for Alexandra, seemingly on her side the entire time... and then as she walks out, her smile disappears, and she just says "You were right" to one of her compatriots. A very simple but well-acted scene that says a lot about her as a character.

[up][up] Nobu and Murakami really should have just been the same character.

Edited by Discar on Feb 15th 2020 at 5:38:44 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#115634: Feb 15th 2020 at 5:42:53 PM

Eh, I think Nobu works better as a lieutenant than one of the Five Fingers. It's just Murakami himself is kind of a letdown.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#115635: Feb 15th 2020 at 5:45:15 PM

I personally think Bakuto was the lamest member of the Hand.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#115636: Feb 15th 2020 at 5:49:21 PM

Bakuto kinda amuses me just because of the fact that, as one of the Hand's leaders, he's actually several centuries old, if not a whole millenium. It's harder to reconcile with his youthful appearance compared to the other four.

Incidentally that'd mean he's from pre-Conquistador South America. I wonder how he got to K'un-Lun in the first place.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#115637: Feb 15th 2020 at 5:53:00 PM

What I find odd if that's the case is his name, because his anecdote about the "sack man" implies that he's brazilian. Is it a "codename" or something? It's not even an actual japanese name, just a term that refers to itinerary gamblers that were precursors to the yakuza.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#115638: Feb 15th 2020 at 5:54:01 PM

I honestly think they should have focused on one maybe two Hand fingers for Defenders rather than blowing the entire wad at once

Let that one or two finger become more fleshed out and such

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#115639: Feb 15th 2020 at 5:58:21 PM

That'd mean more subsequent seasons of the Hand, you realize.

I'm a little disappointed we didn't get to see all five of 'em together as they had mentioned. Bakuto doesn't come back until Sowande's already gotten too far a head of himself.

Speaking of which, Sowande's not around long but man he was a One-Scene Wonder.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Feb 15th 2020 at 9:00:06 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#115640: Feb 15th 2020 at 6:22:27 PM

Not necessarily since they are a worldwide conspiracy and the rest might have other shit going on

It leaves the option to do more with them or not

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#115641: Feb 15th 2020 at 6:32:57 PM

It amuses me how many secret cabals quietly influencing human history there were in target MCU there were without any of them knowing the others existed (mostly). Across all the movies and shows, there were:

  • HYDRA
  • “Real” HYDRA
  • Various cabals of Inhumans, with Jiaying’s (initially benevolent) group being the most influential.
  • Wakanda and it’s implied-to-be-utterly-massive spy network.
  • The Sorcerers of Kamar Taj
  • The Hand
  • The Pride

And I’m pretty sure I missed at least one. The Hand not knowing about any of these is especially hilarious, because they’ve been doing the same kinds of schemes as HYDRA and are after the same kinds of power that the Sorcerers boast and learn about, and you’d think paths would cross now and again.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 15th 2020 at 6:44:35 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#115642: Feb 15th 2020 at 6:40:33 PM

It's cabals all the way down

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 15th 2020 at 6:43:14 AM

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#115644: Feb 15th 2020 at 6:55:59 PM

I think some of them knew about each other. HYDRA and "real" HYDRA definitely did (they worked together, even if they disliked each other), the Sorcerers are presumably well-known in magical circles, and the Pride was pretty small, basically confined to the one city.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#115646: Feb 15th 2020 at 8:16:14 PM

That sounds like something a cabal would say!

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#115648: Feb 15th 2020 at 9:15:37 PM

HYDRA and "real" HYDRA definitely did (they worked together, even if they disliked each other)

IIRC “Real” HYDRA knew of HYDRA, but only barely the other way around. As I remember, Schmidt knew of them but only used their iconography and concept, with his subsequent organization eventually having no idea the former really existed after his disappearance.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#115649: Feb 15th 2020 at 9:36:26 PM

Pride seen to be very small, all things consider and very focus on one area which is better if you want to mantain secrecy.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#115650: Feb 15th 2020 at 11:33:20 PM

It's too bad, it would have been interesting to see some Colliding Criminal Conspiracies.


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