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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#115601: Feb 13th 2020 at 6:43:56 PM

If I remember correctly, doesn’t Cable treat Deadpool like the nuisance he is?

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#115602: Feb 13th 2020 at 6:46:28 PM

[up]Yes he does. That’s admittedly part of the humor.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#115603: Feb 13th 2020 at 6:47:27 PM

Cable has outright blown Deadpool's head off just to get him to shut up.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#115604: Feb 13th 2020 at 6:48:26 PM

They have a complex relationship.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#115605: Feb 13th 2020 at 6:50:37 PM

Cable mostly puts up with Deadpool because Deadpool's usefulness slightly outweighs how annoying he is.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#115606: Feb 13th 2020 at 7:18:33 PM

Well, that plays into what Ju was talking about: Deadpool's relationship with Cable is played for antagonistic laughs while his relationship with the bizarrely female Death is treated with more dignity and respect.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115607: Feb 13th 2020 at 7:51:33 PM

while his relationship with the bizarrely female Death is treated with more dignity and respect.
No, it isn't. His relationship with Death is a joke, too.

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#115608: Feb 13th 2020 at 7:52:51 PM

[up]O.K, in comparison? I'm not an expert, I'm afraid.

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#115609: Feb 13th 2020 at 7:54:25 PM

Sometimes it's played for laughs, sometimes it's almost serious.

Still, the point that Wade's more serious romantic relationships are all with women is a valid one.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115610: Feb 13th 2020 at 7:54:43 PM

In comparison? To, uh, other relationships? I mean, his entire thing with Death is because he can't die, they can't be together, but also: DICK JOKES. And Thanos curses him to look like Tom Cruise.

Seriously, though, none of Deadpool's relationships are taken seriously, aside from the relationship with his daughter and his adopted son. Those is 100% serious.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 13th 2020 at 7:55:52 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#115611: Feb 13th 2020 at 7:55:04 PM

I'd say Fred is definitely onto something there, as a fan of Deadpool. Deadpool's origin story (shown in the same arc he fights juiced up Ajax/Francis) puts a lot more dramatic tearjerking emphasis on his love affair with Death than I've ever seen any sort of romantic deal with Cable be treated. Cable and Pool do have their moments, but those are inevitably the more "friendship" moments than "romantic" ones.

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#115612: Feb 13th 2020 at 7:58:59 PM

And his crush on Spider-Man is treated as a joke where the punchline is that it makes Spider-Man uncomfortable.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#115613: Feb 13th 2020 at 8:19:00 PM

Most of what Deadpool says and does is treated as a joke. Remember when Deadpool shoryuken'd Wolverine and how it was a fight started over Deadpool stalking Kitty Pryde? And on the Cable & Deadpool side, Cable doesn't show any interest in Deadpool or anyone else for their entire run.

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#115614: Feb 13th 2020 at 8:23:44 PM

[up][up] I have to admit that because of that, I sort of hate Spider-Man and Deadpool's relationship. Like, 99% of the time it's a bromance and it's great, but Deadpool's continued badgering of Spidey despite his insistence that he's not interested and it makes him uncomfortable kind of ruins it for me. If Peter was a woman, this joke would not be allowed to go on as long.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#115615: Feb 13th 2020 at 11:57:00 PM

Seriously, though, none of Deadpool's relationships are taken seriously,

There's Copycat, he took her seriously and he too her death seriously.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#115616: Feb 15th 2020 at 11:45:53 AM

I've come to make an announcement.

I want to get myself away from shows about card games so I'm going to be watching Daredevil: Season 2.

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#115617: Feb 15th 2020 at 11:50:00 AM

Have fun. I actually finally sat down and finished the first season a few nights ago after constantly picking it up and putting it down (really really good stuff btw), so I guess I oughta follow suit.

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#115618: Feb 15th 2020 at 11:55:14 AM

Season 2's first half (more specifically first 4 episodes or so) is damn gripping, mostly because of Castle. It unfortunately goes downhill rather hard in the second half. I'm still yet to watch Season 3 (I kinda lost interest once I found out the Netflix marvel-verse was getting canned thanks to Disney+).

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#115619: Feb 15th 2020 at 11:56:59 AM

Season 3 is probably some of the best superhero television ever made. You should definitely watch it. It's up there with season 1 and in some ways surpasses it.

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#115620: Feb 15th 2020 at 12:05:22 PM

It's not lost on me how the Netflix side (sans JJ) largely improved after they stopped using the Hand. A bunch of lame, flat Yellow Peril baddies complete with a waste of Sigourney Weaver among their leadership? Nah dog, here's Bushmaster, Typhoid Mary, Billy Russo and Bullseye.

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#115621: Feb 15th 2020 at 12:13:58 PM

What's odd to me is that it didn't have to be that way? It just seemed like they didn't bother putting in the effort. The white villains like Fisk and Castle have humanizing backstories and complex characterizations that make them really compelling, meanwhile the Hand feels like it was lifted wholesale from old comic books with no effort to improve or modernize the material or make the Hand members strong characters on the same level. In fact the writing effectively dehumanizes them at multiple points. It's pretty bad.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Feb 15th 2020 at 4:15:29 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#115622: Feb 15th 2020 at 12:18:20 PM

The Hand was a pretty fascinating case of an adaptation being very faithful to the source material to the point of causing problems. Daredevil as a whole is very true to the character's roots, and guys like Fisk and Bullseye work because they have this wealth of character material to draw from. They did the exact same with the Hand, sticking to the roots....but the roots of the Hand were always "two-dimensional ninjas".

The show adapted the Hand perfectly. It just tripped on the curtain and revealed that the Hand were always pretty shit.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#115623: Feb 15th 2020 at 12:20:17 PM

I just paused to laugh at that goddamn ringtone after the Irish massacre.[lol]

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#115624: Feb 15th 2020 at 2:16:00 PM

[up][up] The leadership was the issue. If they were hired by someone out to kill the Defenders they would work better kinda like Bullseye.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#115625: Feb 15th 2020 at 3:20:12 PM

I'd go as far as to say that the first four episodes of Daredevil's second season are the peak of the entire Marvel Netflix library. The sheer terror the Punisher brings with him, the "Not 'they'. Him." line, the rooftop scene and subsequent hallway fight, the sudden turnabout when the Irish mob's boss returns from Ireland and leads an actual retaliation against the Punisher...

But then it just takes a huge nosedive once Elektra shows up. It's not just the Hand being flat villains, it's also the fact that the show tries to run the Hand plotline and continue the Punisher plotline simultaneously despite there being zero connective tissue between them (a problem Punisher's own second season would replicate, but it still managed to be good in spite of that).

I still enjoyed Daredevil Season 2, and the fight choreography remains fun, but the plotting really falls apart in a bad way.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Feb 15th 2020 at 6:24:40 AM

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