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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#115551: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:10:58 PM

In terms of dadding he did an okay job, as far as we can tell.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#115552: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:11:42 PM

[up][up]Fun fact: the Ronin identity is used by several people in the comics...and none of them are Japanese.

  • The first was Maya Lopez aka Echo.

  • The second was Clint Barton, so MCU Clint being Ronin is from the source material.

  • The third was an LMD.

  • The fourth was Blade.

Edited by M84 on Feb 12th 2020 at 2:12:24 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#115553: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:12:59 PM

It's the third superhero movie to do a "watch Japanese people die amidst rain and neon signs, so exotic" and at least the prior two had Japanese heroes in the fight too.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 11th 2020 at 10:13:30 AM

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#115554: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:13:06 PM

Ronin is more of a costume phase heroes go through.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#115555: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:14:45 PM

Ultimate Marvel Ronin was yet another split personality of Marc Spector aka Moon Knight.

He's the one that got Kingpin arrested by revealing his secret identity to the authorities and accusing Kingpin of having tried to murder him.

Edited by M84 on Feb 12th 2020 at 2:18:46 AM

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#115556: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:20:27 PM

I droned about it before but yeah, poor ol' Clint hasn't exactly endeared me to him as a character, and when that's the case with someone who's had around that many different appearances across the movies, it's all the more glaring.

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#115557: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:21:51 PM

[up][up] God that was so dumb.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#115558: Feb 11th 2020 at 11:25:12 PM

Does Clint actually use the Ronin alias in the film?

(fun fact: my autocorrect first turned Ronin into Robin, which made me chuckle)

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115559: Feb 11th 2020 at 11:35:56 PM

Does Clint actually use the Ronin alias in the film?
He wears the Ronin costume, but never actually uses the name. It was used in the promotional material, I believe, though.

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#115560: Feb 12th 2020 at 2:53:21 AM

I don't think the name "Scarlet Witch" is ever used either

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#115561: Feb 12th 2020 at 3:28:00 AM

Its too villainous,so while she's being on the good guy's team she's called Wanda

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#115562: Feb 12th 2020 at 4:37:05 AM

According to GWW, Marvel Studios is developing a Agents of Atlas series as a follow up to Shang-Chi

Been hearing a lot of that yesterday.

Some guys complained that including Silk might not happen in light of her being associated with Spider-Man (unless Marvel and Sony is willing to share her too). note 

Unless they take this time to establish the original members like Gorilla Man, Namora, and Venus?

[up][up] Word is, WandaVision will finally establish the Scarlet Witch name.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 12th 2020 at 7:42:16 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#115563: Feb 12th 2020 at 10:23:15 AM

With the talk of Rogue and the like, here’s a silly question - What would you do with Storm after the Fox Men made her such a background character both actresses were publicly annoyed? Do you not use her or do you lean fully into 90’s Storm where she was a co-leader of the X-Men with her big grandiose speeches?

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#115564: Feb 12th 2020 at 10:41:55 AM

I'd still use her,black superheros are still few and far between so dropping her would be a huge error of judgement.If they have base her characterisation off a 90s cartoon I'd say do it,at least then it's empowering her compared to the previous films

I really hate how they mangled the characters in the fox movies

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#115565: Feb 12th 2020 at 10:53:46 AM

Why would you not use her?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115566: Feb 12th 2020 at 11:04:32 AM

I'd use her and give her the Morlocks storyline with Callisto. That was one of her big moments and I would love to see it recreated on-screen.

(By the way, the last issue of Marauders had a fun moment when Callisto appears again and offhandedly throw a knife at Storm, who catches it. And Pyro is like, "Wait, you guys just throw knives at each other for fun? No wonder we never beat you.")

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#115567: Feb 12th 2020 at 11:15:16 AM

> Why would you not use her?

Well,if you feel like you don't really want a diverse xmen team that's one possible reason,another is that your going with an xmen team made up mutants who've never had a focus before so no Storm,Wolverine,Cyclops or Jean

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#115568: Feb 12th 2020 at 11:15:39 AM

The talk of not using characters because they were poorly treated in previous adaptations will never cease to baffle me.

That's the exact reason you should use them.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#115569: Feb 12th 2020 at 11:18:08 AM

[up] This.

This came up earlier with Mystique, iirc. The question of "lol why would you ever use X character after Y flop" is always easily answered with "because this is a completely different series."

You're more likely to see characters less used for overexposure rather than poor exposure these days - and even then never a core character.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 12th 2020 at 11:21:46 AM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#115570: Feb 12th 2020 at 11:18:50 AM

Storm is going to show up. She's likely to be used as a face for X-Men outside of X-Men. She's recognizable and has powers that lean into cool looking action.

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#115571: Feb 12th 2020 at 11:20:43 AM

Speaking of the X-Men, who do you think should make up the initial line-up for the team once they're introduced into the MCU?

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#115572: Feb 12th 2020 at 11:22:44 AM

I just wonder if they would stay away from those characters in favor of something else, is all. Way I see it, they can lean into two eras for any potential reboot - The original five, or the All New All Different Team that was mostly part of the 90’s cartoon.

That and admittedly after five or six movies of her doing nothing, seeing a Storm with a character arc going "I CALL UPON THE ARTIC WINDS FROM THE FURTHEST REACHES OF THE EARTH! RENDER THEM HELPLESS IN ENDLESS ICE AND SNOW!” would be quite a difference.

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#115573: Feb 12th 2020 at 11:23:13 AM

> She's likely to be used as a face for X-Men outside of X-Men.

if your lucky she might be,on the other hand Wolverine usually fills that role usually

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#115574: Feb 12th 2020 at 11:25:27 AM

Speaking of the X-Men, who do you think should make up the initial line-up for the team once they're introduced into the MCU?

Difficult to say: it all depends on how the MCU sets them up. Imo they would set up the group by introducing the individual characters in minor ways in other characters' movies and shows, then revealing everyone together. But with that approach, the team could end up being thrown together.

if your lucky she might be,on the other hand Wolverine usually fills that role usually

Wolverine hasn't really had the same mascot status for a while, so who knows?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 12th 2020 at 11:29:57 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#115575: Feb 12th 2020 at 11:27:10 AM

Yeah, during the last years he has been mostly known for his raging, annoying hypocrisy.

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