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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I think the clear factor is moreso that Ayasugi clearly signs with Loki in the moral calculus of the situation, so the game is to make Odin sound worse to make Loki sound better. That's the best explanation I have for such a dark reading of everything Odin does and the claim that people hold up Odin as some sort of moral beacon.
Like taking Odin, who just lost his wife and is currently enduring a hopeless siege, talking about "killing all the dark elves" currently trying to wipe out Asgard from the map and trying to equate that somehow with some sort of genocidal campaign.
Odin is pretty bad. He's done a lot of bad things, but he eventually changed, the jury being out on how much. Loki, meanwhile, is directly responsible for two attempted genocides and indirectly responsible for an actual one (the destruction of the Dwarves). There's not a single moral aspect in which Loki outdoes Odin.
They're both kinda shit, but in the end, I think Loki's way worse and less remorseful.
Edited by Gaon on Feb 11th 2020 at 4:55:51 AM
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For those who do not understand what he answered, I originally wrote "I don't understand why Marvel hates redheads.", but decides to delete it to avoid a fight in the comments.
Edit: And apparently he also edited it, the irony.
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For my part, I would like her to play a character who is afro-american in the original comics, but most likely she will be a redhead with a Race Lift
Edited by JoLuRo075 on Feb 11th 2020 at 5:19:32 AM
It is also possible that the eight kingdoms used to be a horrible place and the only way to make it a better place was to undertake a conquest campaign.
Edited by JoLuRo075 on Feb 11th 2020 at 5:24:45 AM
Canon holds Odin up as a moral example for Thor, as his spirit advisor when Thor is at his lowest, saying the perfect insightful things to get Thor back on his feet and winning the day. It's unearned since he was never really punished for his misdeeds and the supposed change of heart that gives him a pass for them is fairly hollow when you look at his shown behavior. And yes, I'm tired of Loki getting condemned for things that Odin is given an implicit pass for and blamed for things that are actually Odin's fault, like Odin's death and Hela's release, and any gestures he makes that could be considered redemptive dismissed because they're self-serving (when Odin's redemptive gestures are also just as self-serving as evidenced by him being the beloved wise king for most of his life).
[quoteblock] It is also possible that the eight kingdoms used to be a horrible place and the only way to make it a better place was to undertake a conquest campaign. [/quoteblock]
That... would be a horrible, horrible message if you're trying to go for any real world applicability, which Ragnarok was trying to do. It can far too easily be read as apologia for European colonialism.
Edited by Ayasugi on Feb 11th 2020 at 8:28:23 AM
Yeah, this sounds like projecting viewpoints onto us that we never expressed but which are more commonplace in drama imported from elsewhere.
Not one person has suggested that here. At the most charitable, I think you're confusing us for some other place.
Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 11th 2020 at 8:50:32 AM
That’s pretty much one of the main justifications of it: “this place is horrible, I must make it better, even through conquest.”
Also, is there anything to support that idea?
Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 11th 2020 at 5:40:40 AM
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Is he held up as a moral beacon though.
While people acknowledge he loves his sons, we all still point out that even when trying, he was a shitty dad.
That he basically did everything wrong when it came to his family and how he built his kingdom.
Pretty much everyone believes Odin buggered things up to high hell, with the lone exception of Thor.
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