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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#115477: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:22:20 AM

[up] Yes.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:22:29 PM

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#115478: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:55:31 AM

They could composite Yon Rogg with the Supremor battle body the intelligence uses sometimes

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#115479: Feb 11th 2020 at 10:57:52 AM

I personally consider Odin as not having been as bloodthirsty as Hela claims. We know almost nothing about those wars, so it's very possible there were actually more complex than just being wars of conquest, like most wars are. Hela however was raised in war, practically made for them. So she didn't care about the actual reasons for the wars and became a sociopath who enjoyed conquest. Odin was still definitely worried Thor was going down the same path though, and in hindsight it adds a lot to the first movie.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#115480: Feb 11th 2020 at 12:02:47 PM

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No he isn't. You'd probably need to establish the Four first just to give him an origin, but he's been a more general universe-wide baddie for quite a while, having fought everyone from the Avengers to the Hulk to Wolverine to Doctor Strange, and, most recently, Kamala Khan. And even "baddie" changes depending on when we're talking about, as he's allied himself with the good guys at times as well (usually to fight a bigger threat).

The last time he actually fought the FF in their own comics was 2005.

Edited by comicwriter on Feb 11th 2020 at 12:10:39 PM

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#115481: Feb 11th 2020 at 12:06:23 PM

[up] The thing is that the Super-Skrull's origins are tied-into the Fantastic Four. He's supposed to have all of their powers as a way to combat the team.

Unless you want to do some switcheroo where the Four get their powers from the Super-Skrull instead.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#115482: Feb 11th 2020 at 12:08:36 PM

I know. Hence "You'd probably need to establish the Four first."

Edited by comicwriter on Feb 11th 2020 at 12:11:18 PM

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#115483: Feb 11th 2020 at 12:55:42 PM

Well, changing the origins of a character has never bothered the MCU writers much (Scarlet Witch for instance could even be considered an In Name Only version of the comic book character). And the Skrulls seem to be mostly good guys so far.

I do wonder if Captain Marvel 2 will be an interquel or take place in the present. The interquel would answer the question of what Carol had been up to between the first film and Endgame (also, why she does not seem to age), but the Foregone Conclusion would kill any suspense whenever she seems in danger.

[down] Quite possibly, I admit I have not been keeping up to date. And I might even have mixed it up with the upcoming Wonder Woman movie.

Edited by C105 on Feb 11th 2020 at 10:27:26 AM

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#115484: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:00:08 PM

Hasn't it been announced that Captain Marvel 2 is taking place in the present?

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#115485: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:30:03 PM

[up][up] I think Endgame did an adequate job explaining where she was the whole time by giving her a mind-bogglingly vast jurisdiction.

Setting it in the present gives them more room to include the adult Monica Rambeau and Kamala Khan, which I think are more than sufficient grounds to set it in the present.

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#115486: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:37:19 PM

Captain Marvel 2 can't be 2 1/2 hours of Carol being god-tier, but I also don't want her to get a cheap de-power just to establish drama. How do you handle that? By giving her other characters to protect. Superman writers figured that out ages ago. Then forgot.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#115487: Feb 11th 2020 at 2:09:59 PM

Or simply handing her a problem she can’t just punch away, or one where more application of power isn’t the optimal solution. Or which affect her personally in a strong way regardless of how powerful she is, both things Superman writers also have a problem with.

One of my main theories is a plot where the villain is experimenting on innocent people to try and mass produce Carol’s powers, for that reason: the solution being that ultimately with all these Carol level people running around brainwashed the solution isn’t to fight them, but to save them.

It’s also one of the reasons why I would like a Rogue / Mystique movie - Rogue making a very good Metallo / Parasite / etc character who inherently change the scope of conflict (the other being that Rogue and her issues would make a good “young counterpart” to Carol’s own themes and trials).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 11th 2020 at 2:15:02 AM

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#115488: Feb 11th 2020 at 2:24:35 PM

Since Fox already did both characters so I'm not sure I want them in the Marvel Cinematic universe,I like the characters well enough but I'm just concerned they'll have to do a rehash of the characters because people expect them behave exactly like their fox counterparts instead of doing a better interpretation of the characters

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#115489: Feb 11th 2020 at 2:32:00 PM

[up] Considering one of the big complaints about Fox's X-Men films was that Rogue and Mystique didn't act enough like their comic counterparts, I don't think that'd be the problem.

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#115490: Feb 11th 2020 at 2:36:13 PM

And so far we can't say that MCU Spiderman has been behaving exactly like in his two previous adaptations, though the fact that he's half the age he had in them probably helps.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#115491: Feb 11th 2020 at 2:55:08 PM

Yeah. There's nothing to indicate they'd be beholden to rehashing what Fox did since they certainly haven't with Sony (for better or for worse).

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#115493: Feb 11th 2020 at 3:19:10 PM

Gugu Mbatha-Raw joins the cast of Loki!

Who could she be? Speculate away!

EDIT: DAMN IT. [nja]

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 11th 2020 at 6:19:28 AM

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#115494: Feb 11th 2020 at 3:19:45 PM

[up]We have a clone! Shoot it!

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#115495: Feb 11th 2020 at 3:22:00 PM

A clone is a person no matter how many,begun the clone wars have

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Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#115496: Feb 11th 2020 at 3:31:36 PM

I do think Odin was pretty bloodthirsty. When we hear him talk about wars in the other movies, he does talk about how many deaths he caused with little horror, the most regret being that it had to come to that to stop whatever evil the other races were doing. We're expected to agree that it was a shame, but it was the only way. Then in TDW he's very eager to wipe out the Dark Elves and blatantly shows no concern for the Asgardian lives that would be lost in the effort, hinting that the previous times he resorted to mass slaughter to stop evil that might not have been his only option. The Ragnarok revelation then throws doubt on whether the "evil races" he slaughtered in order to protect the innocents were actually evil at all.

And there's also how he gave both of his sons the impression that killing an entire race was something desirable. He didn't even bother to tell little Thor that killing all Frost Giants was bad, just "don't seek out war", immediately qualified by "but always be ready for it". Hela being added to his backstory just makes him seem more careless, because if he really was concerned about his other kids ending up like her, he did a terrible job watching for and curbing the warning signs, and he never took responsibility for his role in teaching them it was okay.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#115497: Feb 11th 2020 at 3:51:05 PM

[up] Okay I swear Odin is the only thing you ever talk about.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#115498: Feb 11th 2020 at 3:54:52 PM

Well, there is the wrinkle that the Frost Giants, the Dark Elves, and Surtur's folk actually are violent aggressors. Odin objected to Thor's attack on Jotunheim because there was no evidence the Frost Giants who attacked Asgard did so on their king's orders, rather than being criminals who happened to be Frost Giants. Except it turns out the King of Jotunheim was behind the attack, so ...

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#115499: Feb 11th 2020 at 4:21:27 PM

Who could she be? Speculate away!
Since it was reported that Sophia Di Martino was apparently playing a Female Loki, I'm guessing that Gugu Mbatha-Raw will be playing Verity Willis. Who is awesome and I really want to see on-screen.

Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#115500: Feb 11th 2020 at 4:31:07 PM

[up][up][up] Because I'm tired of him being held up as a moral beacon and an example of benevolent leadership and it just being a given that he "felt remorse" when the slightest critical analysis of him shows the exact opposite. Especially when he's brought up as a contrast to Loki, since he's done a hell of a lot worse than Loki and hasn't demonstrably done more to right his own wrongs, just said or implied that he has (or simply denied that he's done any wrong).

Edited by Ayasugi on Feb 11th 2020 at 7:31:20 AM


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